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Steve Shauger 09-12-2022 04:27 PM

1963 Z11 Impala Race Bred
 
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These cars although RPO's, were purpose built for strictly racing. Non essential items were not available to reduce weight such as; radio, heater, sound-deadner.

This package was quite potent especially when Frank Sanders was behind the wheel, winning 19 of 20 races he entered in 1963.

Today it is owned by Roger Sortino a fantastic caretaker!

Here are a few HD components:

Aluminum components:
  • hood
  • fenders
  • bumpers

Engine-427:
  • stroker crankshaft
  • compression (13.5:1)
  • heads with larger ports
  • dual four-barrel carbs
  • 427 cubic inches-430 horsepower.


https://www.chevyhardcore.com/featur...e-of-its-kind/

mockingbird812 09-12-2022 11:53 PM

thanks Steve - what a thumper. What trans did Chevy use in ‘63 to handle the torque of this 427?

Lee Stewart 09-13-2022 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mockingbird812 (Post 1599948)
thanks Steve - what a thumper. What trans did Chevy use in ‘63 to handle the torque of this 427?

4 Speed Manual Close Ratio

Lee Stewart 09-13-2022 01:03 AM

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Perhaps the 427’s greatest improvement over the 409 was in the cylinder heads and intake manifold. Like the high-performance versions of the 409, the 427 used 2.19-inch intake and 1.72-inch exhaust valves, but the 427’s head castings were taller. This allowed the ports to be located higher for a straighter path from the intake into the combustion chamber. The dual-carburetor aluminum intake manifold was unique, too, and made in two pieces: the lower part served as the lifter valley cover and contained the water jackets, while the upper portion housed the raised intake runners. A pair of Carter AFBs topped the intake and drew air through a special cowl-induction inlet that fed the air cleaner.

Chevrolet reportedly made 57 Z-11s before GM pulled the plug on all of its racing programs. The 427 represents the pinnacle of W engine performance development and is legendary among enthusiasts of the breed today.

Lee Stewart 09-13-2022 01:14 AM

430 Horsepower?

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Steve Shauger 09-13-2022 01:24 AM

I Sure wish Verne was with us RIP. He'd give us a history lesson on these W engines that we wouldn't forget!

olredalert 09-13-2022 03:24 AM

----When real production cars were in their heyday. A period I will never forget as I lived thru it, and loved every minute of it!!!.....Bill S

Xplantdad 09-13-2022 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Shauger (Post 1599955)
I Sure wish Verne was with us RIP. He'd give us a history lesson on these W engines that we wouldn't forget!


What a true statement!

tom406 09-13-2022 06:38 PM

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Per Colvin’s 60-64 “By the Numbers” chapter on the Z-11, they were all built with close ratio Borg Warner T10 with Inland shifters. It makes sense, as the first Muncie 4 speeds didn’t initially ship to production until February 6th, 1963. (Shipped to Baltimore plant to be put into full size Chevrolets, NOT Corvettes-The earliest Corvettes to get Muncies are built in the May/June 1963 timeframe)

I don’t think Mr. Sortino owns the Sanders car any longer. I appraised it around 2010 here in WA and then the next time I saw it was in the Mecum display at MCACN a few years later. I do have to say, its probably my favorite Z11 after seeing it in all of its unique aqua/aqua original glory.

67since67 09-14-2022 12:10 AM

Hey! There's my 'ol red hot-rod in the background...MCACN 2017

67since67 09-14-2022 12:28 AM

Summer 1965, a Friday night, my buddy and I (he had a driver's license, I didn't) headed downtown Waterloo to cruise 4th Street. But first, a bee-line to Schukei Chevrolet's lot to look for cool stuff. In the middle of the used lot, all by itself, was a white '63 Impala, black rims with no caps, and a nose up stance. In the driver's window were lists describing the details of a Z-11. Holy Crap!!! I got to see and touch a real Z-11!! My 15 year old brain was fully blown :shocked:

I've always wondered where it went from there?? - Bill W

dykstra 09-14-2022 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 67since67 (Post 1600012)
Summer 1965, a Friday night, my buddy and I (he had a driver's license, I didn't) headed downtown Waterloo to cruise 4th Street. But first, a bee-line to Schukei Chevrolet's lot to look for cool stuff. In the middle of the used lot, all by itself, was a white '63 Impala, black rims with no caps, and a nose up stance. In the driver's window were lists describing the details of a Z-11. Holy Crap!!! I got to see and touch a real Z-11!! My 15 year old brain was fully blown :shocked:

I've always wondered where it went from there?? - Bill W

I can listen to these stories all day!! Thanks for sharing Bill.

Bill Pritchard 09-14-2022 08:52 PM

Also some great stories about the 63 Z-11 cars in the book "Super Stock: Drag Racing the Family Sedan" by Larry Davis. If you love cars from that era, you REALLY need to have that book :3gears:

3X24SPD 09-15-2022 12:19 PM

63 z11
 
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When I was born, my dad (RIP Pops) brought me home from the hospital in his black 63 Z11.

He used to tell me whenever he took me out for a ride, I used to crack him up constantly saying "Car go wheeeee!!...."

Unfortunately, he wasn't big on pics- but I have two that I will share.
Pics of pics- from a couple of old Kodaks that I treasure.

He did race it- Pops was an avid drag racer at New England Dragway.
But its primary duty was as a street car.

He bought it used in 1964 from some dealer in MA (around Newton I believe) that had advertised it as a 409- but they apparently had no idea what it really was.

Pops, fortunately, knew exactly what it was- and after he bought it, found some old gas slips or something in the car somewhere with the previous owner's name on them.
Pops managed to contact the guy- who told him that it was just a terrible car- a real piece of crap- and that's why he traded it in.
He told Pops that it was always loading up, stalling and not starting.

One story I can remember him telling me related to the engine compression.

My dad was at work, and my mom was borrowing the car out running errands in "The Black Chevy".
She was stopped getting gas at one of my dad's buddies station.

Apparently, the car wouldn't start back up after the fill- so my dad's buddy offered to push start it with the wrecker.
When my mom let out the clutch- it stalled the wrecker...

Dad told me he sold the car & engine separately-must've been around 1967 or 1968. He told me he put a regular 409 engine back in it.

1967Z28 09-15-2022 12:20 PM

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I took this photo of the Jack May Z11 (tuned by Ronnie Sox) at the York show in 2007. I think there were four other Z11s at that show.

1967Z28 09-15-2022 12:25 PM

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Bob Tucker from Florida in his "Thunder" Z11.

1967Z28 09-15-2022 01:40 PM

We don't have Verne's expertise to lean on anymore (RIP) but I believe power brakes did not come on the '63 Z11s and all of them had the plenum air cleaner so it would stand to reason that there should be a hole in the firewall for that or at least a plate covering it up.

SS427 09-15-2022 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 1967Z28 (Post 1600080)
We don't have Verne's expertise to lean on anymore (RIP) but I believe power brakes did not come on the '63 Z11s and all of them had the plenum air cleaner so it would stand to reason that there should be a hole in the firewall for that or at least a plate covering it up.

I have Rusty Symmes "Project Z-11" book and when I get a moment I will look through it and see if there is any reference to that. Perhaps Rusty may know the answer.

markjohnson 09-16-2022 01:32 AM

No Z11’s had power brakes or front bumper guards and every one of them was an assembly line cowl plenum firewall. That is not a Z11 motor in the photo either but a 409/425.

Lee Stewart 09-16-2022 02:05 AM

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Lee Stewart 09-16-2022 02:06 AM

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Lee Stewart 09-16-2022 02:12 AM

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1967Z28 09-16-2022 12:29 PM

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1967Z28 09-16-2022 01:25 PM

More Z-11 pics and info here...
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...a-z11.1238456/

RPOLS3 09-16-2022 07:31 PM

Our own Mark Johnson is pretty well versed on these cars as well.

Xplantdad 09-16-2022 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RPOLS3 (Post 1600173)
Our own Mark Johnson is pretty well versed on these cars as well.




Yes he is!!!

Bill Pritchard 09-16-2022 09:32 PM

I believe the Z-11 intake manifold looked considerably different than the one in the black & white pictures posted in this thread. Like others have said, that car was probably a 409/425, not a Z-11. Also I believe the story about the push starting would have resulted in a problem because the Z-11 cars supposedly came with aluminum bumpers front & rear.

1967Z28 07-31-2023 09:50 PM

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1963 Z-11 Impala from Glen Campbell Chevrolet in Williamsville, NY. Photo seen on FB.

RPOLS3 08-01-2023 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 1967Z28 (Post 1628365)
1963 Z-11 Impala from Glen Campbell Chevrolet in Williamsville, NY. Photo seen on FB.

I believe this is the car that Pat Lobb from TX recently restored and still owns?

Here is the restoration thread over on the 348-409 site.

http://www.348-409.com/forum/threads...oration.29583/

HawkX66 08-11-2023 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 3X24SPD (Post 1600067)
When I was born, my dad (RIP Pops) brought me home from the hospital in his black 63 Z11.

He used to tell me whenever he took me out for a ride, I used to crack him up constantly saying "Car go wheeeee!!...."

Unfortunately, he wasn't big on pics- but I have two that I will share.
Pics of pics- from a couple of old Kodaks that I treasure.

He did race it- Pops was an avid drag racer at New England Dragway.
But its primary duty was as a street car.

He bought it used in 1964 from some dealer in MA (around Newton I believe) that had advertised it as a 409- but they apparently had no idea what it really was.

Pops, fortunately, knew exactly what it was- and after he bought it, found some old gas slips or something in the car somewhere with the previous owner's name on them.
Pops managed to contact the guy- who told him that it was just a terrible car- a real piece of crap- and that's why he traded it in.
He told Pops that it was always loading up, stalling and not starting.

One story I can remember him telling me related to the engine compression.

My dad was at work, and my mom was borrowing the car out running errands in "The Black Chevy".
She was stopped getting gas at one of my dad's buddies station.

Apparently, the car wouldn't start back up after the fill- so my dad's buddy offered to push start it with the wrecker.
When my mom let out the clutch- it stalled the wrecker...

Dad told me he sold the car & engine separately-must've been around 1967 or 1968. He told me he put a regular 409 engine back in it.

Thank God you remember most of the details of Dad's cars. He's had some pretty awesome machines. All I remember is hearing about "The Black Chevy." He probably told me a million times what it was, but that damn memory thing.... RIP Pops. Couldn't have asked for better. Good memories. :3gears:

mprice 11-10-2023 09:02 PM

Actually the heater delete was optional it was not necessarily done as part of the Z11 package and the sound deadening was never part of the Z11 as they did have sound- deadner in the cars.


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