Grumpy's 1969 camaro

[x44d80]

If this is the firewall of the 69, it would be easy to spot with this on the firewall with what appears to be a tach line sticking out of it.

[62sedan]

DIMS (Dallas International Motor Speedway) operated from mid-1969 up until sometime in 1973. I saw quite a few races there during those years as it was approx 6 miles from where I live. It was also the site of the Texas International Pop Festival in 1969.

[black69]

I was on another board (camaro crossram focused) and there is a person on there that picked Toy IV as a car to get presented with a top choice award at a recent show. Seems odd, if its fake as suggested here (by one, and no one countering that claim here), how something can be honored as real, if not true. Scratching my head day.

[bracketracer-78]

Originally Posted by black69

I was on another board (camaro crossram focused) and there is a person on there that picked Toy IV as a car to get presented with a top choice award at a recent show. Seems odd, if its fake as suggested here (by one, and no one countering that claim here), how something can be honored as real, if not true. Scratching my head day.

There are quite a few people who believe or want to believe the story about the car represented as toy IV.

[black69]

Originally Posted by bracketracer-78

There are quite a few people who believe or want to believe the story about the car represented as toy IV.

I would think if a car is so interesting, it would have been trailered to Grumpy's home before he passed to atleast get his opinion. Pretty cool to learn it was a 67 z/28 to begin with (according to the story board with the car). The VIN or cowl tag should atleast confirm that, which is neat in itself.

[bracketracer-78]

Originally Posted by black69

I would think if a car is so interesting, it would have been trailered to Grumpy's home before he passed to atleast get his opinion. Pretty cool to learn it was a 67 z/28 to begin with (according to the story board with the car). The VIN or cowl tag should atleast confirm that, which is neat in itself.

Take note that everytime the car is shown the cowl tag is covered with a piece of duct tape. Toy IV was butternut yellow from the factory. There is pictures of grumpy sitting in toy IV back in the day with the door open to confirm this. In the same pictures the supposed penski rollcage is nowhere to be seen. There are pictures of the car when Brooklyn heavy owned it and still no Penske installed roll cage. The guy who owns this car contacted Jenkins while grumpy was still alive and was promptly hung up on. There is alot more to the story if you look into the background on this car.

[Carleen]

When Dale and Vicki Bolla discovered Grumpy's Toy IV, I contacted Vicki and she told me that Grumpy's Toy IV started as a 1967 Camaro and it was the same Camaro that Bill Jenkins raced the 1967 Toy III. It was born as a red Camaro.
Everyone knows that Grumpy's Toy IV was a 1968 SS RS L89 Butternut Yellow Camaro. Grumpy's Toy III has been known for many years. Dale and Vicki Bolla contacted Bill Jenkins and wanted him to verify that they had Grumpy's Toy IV. Bill Jenkins went there and looked at the car but did not verify the Camaro. He was upset that he had spent a whole day going there to look at it. What they say they who know is that it is a 1967 Camaro ex SCCA race car

[Carleen]

Originally Posted by William

L78 M22 4-speed 3:55 posi HD rear springs. Built prior to the availability of the ducted hood.

Sold new at Roth Chev Paoli, PA.

Looks like a X Code Trim Tag

[JoeC]

The guy who claims to have Toy IV is in this youtube at the Camaro Nationals 2023 with his Camaro. Claims "Jenkins helped us put the car together". That's not what many of the Jenkins fans say. I'm surprised they allow the car to be on this display there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFmC...&start_radio=1

[1967Z28]

They don't know more than Bill Jenkins did and he did not certify it after being shown the car. It's not even the correct year and Bill had the original paperwork for his cars. The build date of 12D on the cowl tag is too early to be a '67 Z. I could go on but the car is not the car it claims to be.