Re: Early build engines to late build cars
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Geneo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes kind of odd but the engine is original to the car and I know the history of the car from day one my father in law was the 1st owner,I am number 4 but know all the past owners </div></div>

Cool...then you have proof that stuff like this, while not the norm, does happen occasionally. Warren's example is another one.

Re: Early build engines to late build cars
 

Got it Bill, thanks. I was flipped around. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/crazy.gif[/img]

Re: Early build engines to late build cars
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Pritchard</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Geneo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes kind of odd but the engine is original to the car and I know the history of the car from day one my father in law was the 1st owner,I am number 4 but know all the past owners </div></div>

Cool...then you have proof that stuff like this, while not the norm, does happen occasionally. Warren's example is another one. </div></div>

I can add two more examples from my data which includes two 409s that were assembled 6 months prior to the car assembly. Very odd, but it did happen.

Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif[/img]

Re: Early build engines to late build cars
 

Happens frequently - particularly with Winter engine builds. My L72 - with POP built 05E with a T0128MN engine. Tonawanda is in Western NY - inventory was first in last out!

Re: Early build engines to late build cars
 

I know the complete history of my car the engine matches the vin it all matches

Re: Early build engines to late build cars
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Happens frequently - particularly with Winter engine builds. My L72 - with POP built 05E with a T0128MN engine. Tonawanda is in Western NY - inventory was first in last out! </div></div>

It all depended on how the pallets were stacked, how fast certain assemblies were needed on the line and when the next batch of pallets arrived and got piled on top of the older ones.

Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Re: Early build engines to late build cars
 

Also there was a somewhat rare chance (hopefully) that completed assemblies were held for quality clearance due to issues with components and/or process.

Paul

Re: Early build engines to late build cars
 

my take on this Pallet and use as needed topic is;
higher volume stuff and more common cars received engines and trans relativity close to build status
Lesser volume cars were more sporadic and low volume cars are randomly picked from inventory...
Special order or extremely low production stuff may have been real close in build dates assuming all or most components were on hand or in close proximity.
Exceptions rule and one offs are at best damn close
My assumptions are based on many cars I've worked with on, worked with, parted out or did motor swaps, and cherry picking better engines for replacement or upgrade.
There was a time we had every Chilton book or Motors Manual and Checked every engine #'s on stuff we touched.

Re: Early build engines to late build cars
 

I agree.

Here are some of the Manufacturing and scheduling issues that could cause date abnormalities with drivetrain components at Norwood.

A QA/QC hold at blocks at the foundry, or at the Mfg plant. (Flint MI or Tonawanda NY)

Scheduling or logistical problems with the rail road and inclement weather (snow storm -floods-mechanical rail problems)

Railroad strikes, teamster strikes

Strikes at the foundry or the Mfg plant

Problems with Logistics and Application 35 lead time build scheduling. Errors here were miss counts and just Having enough workers to get the rail and trucks loaded and then unloaded timely and in the build system to meet the established production schedule. No bar code scanners yet it was a manual count.

Re: Early build engines to late build cars
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree.

Here are some of the Manufacturing and scheduling issues that could cause date abnormalities with drivetrain components at Norwood.

A QA/QC hold at blocks at the foundry, or at the Mfg plant. (Flint MI or Tonawanda NY)

Scheduling or logistical problems with the rail road and inclement weather (snow storm -floods-mechanical rail problems)

Railroad strikes, teamster strikes

Strikes at the foundry or the Mfg plant

Problems with Logistics and Application 35 lead time build scheduling. Errors here were miss counts and just Having enough workers to get the rail and trucks loaded and then unloaded timely and in the build system to meet the established production schedule. No bar code scanners yet it was a manual count. </div></div>

Phil,
Most of those scenarios you mention would result in an engine arriving late and holding up the scheduling of the car, rather than arriving earlier and sitting around for months before being installed in a chassis. As you know, a sequence number wasn't assigned until the inventories were checked and indicated that all the parts needed were at the plant.
Of course, by &quot;QC hold&quot; you may be referring to an engine failure at test run, requiring a rebuild and a delay which would result in an engine with an assembly date much earlier than the car assembly.

Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]