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Did anyone notice the 69 Ralley Green X Ram Camaro go for $100K plus ?
Interesting read going on at CGR https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=4432.0

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Mike

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Wow... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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That doesn't look good. Ron Pratt bought the car for $125K plus fees. Hopefully someone will let him know the true history if the car.
James

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Amazing! Wonder how much my real one is worth? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Something seems funny. We have seen the caliber of vehicles Ron Pratt has bought in the past....certainly no lightweights. Now he's buying an *LS6* Chevelle ragtop with an a/c dashboard, and *Z28* Camaro that MacNeish has supposedly put an asterisk with its pedigree? Has he gotten so comfortable with B-J that he's let his guard down? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

I, too, noticed the virtually empty hall last night during the auction, and the shameless badgering of people on the 'charitable cause' vehicles https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif Amy Sparks-Lasseter leading the non-crowd in singing "Happy Birthday" to a deceased child seemed rather tasteless to me.

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singing "Happy Birthday" to a deceased child seemed rather tasteless to me.

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you have got to be kidding me.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif
does anyone have a video link to this?
why would they do something like that?? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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The 69 Z that went for 125 thousand sure has a story by the talk going on at camaros.net. Crazy anymore what is going on.

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The 69 Z that went for 125 thousand sure has a story by the talk going on at camaros.net. Crazy anymore what is going on.

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A former owner said he sold the paperwork/docs on PeeBait and the car was buried... did he sell the VIN and trim tags?? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif This sure sounds weird.

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif

Someone has some explaining to do. This is going to be interesting......where's the popcorn?

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I sat a few rows behind Ron Pratt yesterday, and couldn't believe he bought that Red Convertible, the paperwork on that car was, in my opion very very suspect, and looked like it was "fresh" , brand new infact, and the buildshett was missing a few things.... !! But after he bought it , I had some serious doubts on my initial thoughts on the car.I was initially happy to see a well done clone go for $150 The Rally Green Camaro , I didn't realize he purchased it , but he had a handful of purchase slips, ( 10 -20) by the look of it,......maybe that one just slipped through, or he needed a driver ?

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I agree with Chris, Mike, and Les about the quality of cars at the auction. How many times has that supposed LS6 conv. been at auction? How about the green rebodied Z28? These things just hurt BJs reputation and when you combine a no reserve environment with those types of cars its no wonder prices are down. I know it's not 2006 anymore but great cars will always hold its value way better than most typical auction cars. JMHO

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What's the old adage about 99% of the answers to life's questions are money? Nothing different here. I'm fairly certain that BJ has a multi year contract with speed to air these events,and this one had been planned well in advance of the economic downturn. When the premier and passionate F1 commentator Bob Varsha misses doing color for a potential championship deciding F1 race for an auction,that should tell you what it's all about Alfie- contracts.

If I were going to put my car in a BJ auction,factoring all associated costs of transportation,lodging,amount of qualified buyers etc I would most certainly wait three months till Scottsdale for obvious reasons. Don't know about you fellers but i'm officially tired of the sunglass steve and Craig show,Carroll Shelby signed anything,and rambling diatribes when the bidding stalls. I realize it's a revenue stream for many people and does great things for charities but it's just old. Those two looked like they were on suicide watch after the MG went through.

Good thing Ron Pratt was there(hint)

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Yeah, that's really surprising. Is it a total custom or something? Those huge rear wheels don't look right on the car either. And I can't believe Pratt would be buying bogus cars or rebodies, I sure hope he finds out what those cars really are if they aren't legit.

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Interested to read, if the Camaro factory from Portland Oregon (uses little aluminum diamond plate ramps to elevate their cars) had more of their born with powertrain, fully documented cars at the show.

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singing "Happy Birthday" to a deceased child seemed rather tasteless to me.

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you have got to be kidding me.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif
does anyone have a video link to this?
why would they do something like that?? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Here's the setup:

They were auctioning off yet another of the "special" B-J black-n-red Mustangs. Some charity was to receive the proceeds of this sale; the charity was named after an 18 month old girl who had died from one of the diseases that the charity is trying to eradicate. Yesterday just happened to be the birth date of this little girl. That was mentioned, tastefully, by one of the charity spokespersons. A short time later, after bidding had stalled yet again, Amy came on stage and grabbed the microphone and proceeded to goad anyone in earshot to sing along in "Happy Birthday" to this little girl. That's when I turned the channel https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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.......Also.......Did anyone Notice that when the Bidding on Craig Jacksons personal Camaro didn't do too well, that a phone Bidder jumped in and bought it...........Not saying anything was not on the Up and Up..........Hummm!!!

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Ken...are you in Fla? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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CJ's Camaro ended in the mid-70's....


At the end, CJ was saying how it went better than they expected and how it was a great success.

All those empty seats and weak bidding sure didn't make it look like a great success.

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I think that this is the same car that was judged at the GM Natl's at Carlisle this year, I talked with the owner and he said it was going to Barrett Jackson, so whoever judged that car at Carlisle should have some info on the car, and yes it showed up at Carlisle with the RS emblem in the grille and the intake and carb in the trunk. I asked the owner why he brought it to Carlisle to be judged and he told me that he and the guy who does his restoration work wanted to see how it would score.

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I was there from late thursday until the last car sold on saturday. I thought prices were insanley high on friday...95% of the car were Junk or wanna be Pro-Toruing cars (car with just big wheels and lowered)..

Camaros and Tri 5 Chevys were hott!!! T-Birds and 66'& 67' Chevelles were down alot from what Ive seen..

Saturday price fell off alot towards mid day, they had some NICE custom cars that didnt bring any money at all.. I felt bad for a few of the guys because they had some QUALITY CUSTOMS..

Barrett attracts the guys that like pigs in lip stick (junk car with a nice paint jobs) I was amazed at the low prices of the few Good legit Quality cars there vs the junk that brought HUGE money! I had a list of about 6 cars that I checked out before hand, I almost got the X Kevin Hand 70 Z28 with 3,xxx miles but got out bid on the 3rd and final call.. I wish I would have bid again NOW! but when you factor in 10% commission and shipping that kills it!

Over all I didnt see any SMOKING HOT DEALS, except for a couple of customs and Craigs JAG XJ 220.

It was funny to watch the drunk guys in the sky boxes throwing there money around buying junk just so the could be on TV.. If they know anything about cars I bet there going to be crying when they sober up and the transporter shows up to drop off there new "GEMS" lol.

I had a blast and I could Barrett Vegas being highly sucessful in the future! Only bad thing was the distance between where the cars were displayed and where the auction was taking place.. Id definately take some cheap drivers out there next year but until they bring back the reserve I wouldnt chance a good car..

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I spent a few hous ther each day,not a lot of #1 cars. I spoke with the fellow selling the green LS6 and a 68 Camaro. I did not get his neme but he tolf me he was in the rel estate business in PA and things were not going well so the cars had to go. He said BJ people told him he chould expect $125,000 for the Chevelle. He got $65,000.
Saw some stupid buying too, the 70 442 convert sold for 90K, pretty car with lots of wrong stuff,like an interior from a Cutlass S hardtop. And this car supposidly came from one of the top Olds Resto shops in the country.
A few minutes after the Olds a 67 Shelby only gets bid to $85,000 a similar car later gets to $150,000.
Watched that Chrysler limo sell at $87k and the buyer (probably the seller buying it back) looked liked he had been kicked in the nuts.
That Red LS6 had lots of stuff that was questionable.
Many cars seemed like they were prepped for the auction without any care to getting them presentable.
Paul

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Ken...are you in Fla? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Not Yet! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif...........Soon Come https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif........LOL

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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I thought the Green LS6 brought all the dough.. in the current market conditions, it was a green car (I like green but alot of people dont) it had some paint work done to it and the biggest down fall was it was a Auto on the column.

it brought $71,500 with the juice, pretty good money in my opinion or aleast more than I would spend on it.


The Olds 442 Convertible Canuck mentioned had alot of EYE BALL, but I agree that was crazy money for that car!

I saw ALOT of bogus cars and cars with bogus paper work, There was a real nice looking 66' Chevelle SS Convertible Black with White guts, the car had the look! but the idiot who made the fake paper work did the buildsheet like a 1970 sheet! and that make you question all the other docs the car had.

It is definately buyer beware!

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I just got to watch it from home but thought a couple of the vettes that went through were good deals. If i see one more restomod it will be to soon.

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Perhaps QuickBowtie's post sums up the current state of B.J. the best. "I wouldn't take a chance on bringing a good car there" I also agree the layout wasn't user friendly the cars were displayed in two different locations and both were far away from the block. Not fun.

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Hey guys, I just dropped in from TChevelle to see what everyones' thoughts on the auction were. I thought it would go over much better than it did but I guess it's also a sign of the times. One thing I did notice is that out back or around the staging lines, it seemed like a ghost town. Of all the auctions I have attended, the staging lines always seem to be heavily populated with prospective buyers. This show, I guess for logistical reasons, just didn't have that.

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I just returned from BJ. Overall, I was very disappointed. We took what I would consider a couple of "junk" cars as well as some very nice, correct, and highly documented cars. While we made out alright on most, they still went for considerabily less than expected, both by us and BJ. I bought the best car I took back. I came away with the feeling that there was not much appreciation for originality or correctness, and that that the buyers were more responsive to the resto/customs. We were told by BJ staff that there was 50% new bidders and that a large percentage of those were from Canada. We heard that the Canadians have to pay 30% to get the cars back across the border. I don't know that to be true, it is what we were told by more than one Canadian. Obviously that would have a large impact on thier bidding. Of the 9 cars we took, we know that at least 4 of them went to Canada.

There were a lot of things that I, as well as others were complaining about besides the price of the cars. Foremost, was the auction layout. Auction cars were either located inside the showroom pavilion, or outside under the tents. These two locations were at least a 30min walk from each other and neither were close to the bidding arena. The staging lanes were located near the tent cars. It was IMPOSSIBLE to look at a car in the staging lane and be able to make it to the auction block in time to bid on it. I know because I tried it, twice, and missed the cars both times and I even had a golf cart! I had cars in the showroom, cars under the tents and my entire weekend was literally spent manouvering from location to location. If you were looking for one particular car, you didn't know if it was in the showroom or under a tent. Most people I talked to didn't even realize that there were cars in two separate locations. To sum up, the layout was beyond horrible.

Also, the bidders seating was inadequate and leaning towards some sort of ill-thought favoritism. I've been reading on the boards and see a lot of mention about all the empty bidders seats. No doubt there were not as many bidders there as we are used to seeing in Scottsdale, but as a bidder I could find lots of empty chairs, but could not find a place to sit. That is because unless you were special enough, for whatever reason, to have your name pasted on a chair, there were no chairs available. The whole front two sections of seating were reserved for people who were Not there more than they were. So okay, maybe somebody like Ron Pratt deserves a front row seat. Maybe there are 100 people just like him that deserve a front row seat. But reserving 2/3's of the bidding section with half of those people not sitting in their chairs is just wrong. As a consigner, I would much rather see a bunch of first time registered bidders sitting in chairs than watching my car go across the block and looking out at a bunch of name tags.

Overall, it was a disappointment. I know the economy plays a big part in the price of the cars and that's not BJ's fault, but the Vegas venue has a long way to go to begin to come even close to Scottsdale. It all sounded good. Go to the auction during the day, gamble and do the Vegas scene at night. After walking around for miles in circles three days in a row all I wanted to do was lay down. The only time I even saw "Vegas" was when I was looking out of the airplane window coming and going. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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Did anyone notice the 69 Ralley Green X Ram Camaro go for $100K plus ?
Interesting read going on at CGR https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=4432.0

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Mike

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FYI

There are some new post's to the above thread.

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The Canadian dollar is now trading at 85 cents to the US dollar so it is costing us $25% exchange plus a 5% tax to get them into the country. % months ago our dollar was above us making a car purchase a bargain. Canadians love Vegas.

Paul

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That is one lulu of a story!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

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Did anyone notice the 69 Ralley Green X Ram Camaro go for $100K plus ?
Interesting read going on at CGR https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=4432.0

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Mike

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Wow !! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif ( If there is truth to this story) This is a sad turn of events for the hobby when illegally transfered VIN tags go unnoticed and unmentioned by so many in the know. I guess hind sight is still 20/20 as the seller clearly regrets what had happened years ago. But as Wagonman was clearly pointing out, things may not be what they appear, even to experts. The legaleeze https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif spoken at auctions and in vehicle descriptions will continue to deceive newcomers to the hobby and those with too much money to perform their due diligence. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/mad.gif

As times get tough in the economy look for more of this to happen. Sad. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

JMHO https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Hey Jacquie...sorry to hear that your experience wasn't all that great in LV. That sucks...as you should have had some time to have fun...not constantly run around between buildings and tents. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

Glad to hear that you made it home safe... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Some friends went out to Las Vegas, planned this trip for 6 months! They invited me, but I'm going to SEMA.

Their plans were to make this a fun vacation while taking 18 cars out there to sell.

I'm guessing they did not have as much fun as anticipated.

Thanks for the on-the-sight review Jacquie. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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My 5 cents !!

Most auctions are made up of about 75% Dealers 15% True Collectors and about 5% bottom feeders looking for steals..
Now with the economy the way it is I would think that the 75% dealers are not moving inventory as quickly if at ALL.
These are the guys that you see selling back and forth to each other at these auctions and I think that 75%(dealers buying) has dropped a LOT. Now people would think the market is falling worse. Like someone said if you are not there to see these cars in PERSON you would be surprised, what you would see in person. Its ALL eyecandy to the eye's but for the 15%(true collectors) in house it is JUNK !!! Im sure the 5%(bottom feeders) just got bigger in their minds !!

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Yes , I must say it was a real eye opener to go there, and see the "Real deals" vs the Lipstick cars !

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My 5 cents !!

Most auctions are made up of about 75% Dealers 15% True Collectors and about 5% bottom feeders looking for steals..


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Rich, help me with the math. Who are the missing 5%?

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The CRG thread has been yanked https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

Mike https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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The other 5% is probably mixed in with the 75%.

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Mike, Now why would they do that? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Grady https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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I worked at a parts store back in Montana through the 1990's and had become known as a Camaro source. I had one person bring in pics of his 1969 Z/28 Camaro he had bought new. I am pretty sure it is same car. Flat hood rally green white stripes rally sport z. also it did have chambered exhaust on it. If you watch the part where they show the original photo the car has a Montana License plate on the front. The first two #'s on the plate signify the county where car is registered. I had the DVR record the event and had my wife watch the green Z/28. Because green is her favorite color. She is the one who noticed the original Conrad Montana license plate in the photograph.