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Originally posted by StealthBird:

Another thing radials provide is a much softer ride. Not a big deal if yer just putting around once a year to the local cruise or car show, but radials make a big difference if you actually drive your car.

Put a radial on the front right of the car, and a bias ply on the front left (ummm....don't drive it, this is a static demonstration https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif ), then bounce on each fender. It's night and day. The radial acts like a cushion, the bias ply is hard as a rock. There's no sidewall flex at all with a bias ply.


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Hey Mike, check out these non-flexing sidewalls... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/Ralph1.jpg

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/[email protected]

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Nice squat!!! Particularly the TA. Rob - what pressures are those guys running to get the "wrinkle" and presumably better bite?

Thanks!

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They are running pressures down to 15-18 PSI to try and get the wrinkle. THIS IS NOT WHAT THESE TIRES DO!!! This will destroy the integrity of these tires in short order. Short term gain, long term loss!!!

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Now..."Thats" What I'm talking about!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif Will the Red Lines do that at that Pressure?
Very nice! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif I think I smell Racing Gas.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

Dave
67 Nova Boy

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I'm going with the diamond back red line radials on my next project. I've used both (bias ply and radials) on my chevelle and feel the radials are far superior for drivability. If you want originality, then go back to the wooden wheels we used on our wagons back in the wild west! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Well, I was talking about bouncing on the fender, and you'll see the bias ply sidewall does not flex verses the cushioning/flexing occurs with a radial. But the best thing is that we got a few cool pictures from this debate. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

I've run my bias plies for a few months in the summer, and they're real teeth rattlers compared to the radials. As for ruts in the road, I've had the wheel yanked out of my hand a couple times when I've hit uneven pavement. Those spots in the road always seem to occur within the shadows of trees, you know? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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Hey Rob
Kwool pictures there, post somemore if you got them. I won't be doing that with the Nova, however, there maybe a slight wrinkle in my wifes face when I tell her how much I paid for them https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif I may have to get a picture of that. They should be here by the end of this week according to UPS tracking. Still gotta wait for the street sweeper to clean up the roads before I get it out though.

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Don't mind the naysayers... you'll be fine, your car will look like it's supposed to, and i think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how your car drives with bias plies. Many here have put 1000's of trouble-free miles on them without any problems. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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For the next question, would you go with the E70-14(original size), or go for the next size up, which would be F70-14 I believe ?? Fill in the wheel wells a bit, or what do you all think.

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I went with the F70x14 Coker redlines for my '67 RS/SS 396 Camaro. The Ds, although the original size, are too small for my tastes and the Fs do fill-out the wheel arches much better. Yes, the car hunts around on grooved roadways but they did that in 1967 too. My only gripe with my Cokers, bought in 2002, is that they don't clean and shine as easily as other tires. I use the Bleche-White and Armor-All method (the ONLY thing I use A-All on is tires) and they look good but over the winter they tend to leech-out whatever is in the tire compound and the sidewalls get 'gray,' for lack of a better description. There are threads on here as to how to clean/care for Cokers if you do a search. Lastly, the look of the belted tire cannot be beat, especially on a stock/stock-look car.

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To remove the gray from your tires (as well as some stains from your white/red stripe, RWL) you can use a little lacquer thinner on a rag and sparingly wipe the tires down. It will bring them back to black in no time and does not leave a shine. It is the A-All that it graying up on the tires. Just remove it and start over. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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Rusty
Even enamel reducer, mineral spirts, grill lighter fluid, etc. will work too. Does wonders on the white letters and redlines too. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif
I hate Armor all https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

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I used to run 44-45# in my redlines and I could darn near full throttle dead hook it... they didn't even begin to hook until 40#'s

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To remove the gray from your tires (as well as some stains from your white/red stripe, RWL) you can use a little lacquer thinner on a rag and sparingly wipe the tires down. It will bring them back to black in no time and does not leave a shine. It is the A-All that it graying up on the tires. Just remove it and start over. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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After you wipe them down with a little lacquer thinner to get them clean, do you put anything on the tire, or just leave them a natural flat black rubber? Does Bleach-White work for removing the "gray" film, or will that cause the film to reappear?

Strange, but I found that the tires look fine over the winter, then the first time I drive the car in the Spring, all 4 tires have the gray film (I use Formula 2000, satin). Must be the heat generated in the tires, after driving a few miles, that brings the product (Armor All, etc.,) up to the top?

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-----Mike,,,I have found that the film you talk about is a form of wax. Probably used so that the tire will pop out of the mold or something. I have been using a heat gun and towl on my sidewalls for years. Once the temperature is high enough to liquify the wax I just rub it off with a clean towel. The wax tends to leach right out thru the rubber. You will see the tire actually get really shiny as the wax turns to liquid. At no time is the rubber hot enough to damage the integrity of the tire. Try it as once the wax is gone you will have a gorgeous tire........Bill S

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I know they aren't bias-ply, but if you squint real hard.....
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/476...ndlatterba.jpg

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Okay, I was going to buy a set of Diamondback radials (white pinstripe) for the 15x6 original Torq Thrust "sport wheels" for my Camaro but now you guys have convinced me to go with belted F70s. Thanks for the technique for getting the wax mold-release (or ?) agent out of the tires and I'll throw-away my remaining bottle of A-All.

Question: For an F70x15 pinstripe whitewall, Coker or Universal Vintage Tire? I have Cokers now but are the UVT tires easier to clean or better/worse in any way than Cokers? My only complaint with my Cokers is the cleaning hassle but I'll heat-gun the waxy stuff out of them and that should do it.

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To remove the gray from your tires (as well as some stains from your white/red stripe, RWL) you can use a little lacquer thinner on a rag and sparingly wipe the tires down. It will bring them back to black in no time and does not leave a shine. It is the A-All that it graying up on the tires. Just remove it and start over. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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After you wipe them down with a little lacquer thinner to get them clean, do you put anything on the tire, or just leave them a natural flat black rubber? Does Bleach-White work for removing the "gray" film, or will that cause the film to reappear?

Strange, but I found that the tires look fine over the winter, then the first time I drive the car in the Spring, all 4 tires have the gray film (I use Formula 2000, satin). Must be the heat generated in the tires, after driving a few miles, that brings the product (Armor All, etc.,) up to the top?

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As for the Bleche-White, it does remove the waxy gray buildup that occurs on my Cokers over the winter. It takes me two applications of the B-W but the tires do clean up nicely. My complaint with B-W is that it is pretty nasty stuff if you get it on your skin or in your eyes. I wash down my driveway first and keep the water trickling past the tire because the B-W cleans the dirt and moss out of the pores in the driveway concrete and leaves cleaner areas where the B-W washed away the dirt and moss! First time I used B-W on my Cokers I had to pressure-wash the driveway so it would match the areas where the B-W cleaned out the winter moss staining.

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My tires were shipped on Monday out of the USA, here at my place in Red Deer , Alberta, Canada by noon friday. Hats of to Rusty (smallhurst) for going that extra mile for a perfect stranger. IÌI get Bruce to post some pic`s of it after I get them on the car. Thanks again all. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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couple things about the Coker's

they have NO speed rating..

they may not be round...

take that for what it's worth

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-------Hooooeee!!! Jim is so right about that. The Cokers are just redlines installed on a very cheaply constructed tire,,,IMHO. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif.......Bill S

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I hear ya on the Bleche-White. What the heck is that stuff made out of anyway? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

It does do a nice job on the redlines. I usually spray some Bleche-White onto a rag, then wipe the sidewalls. But I tell ya, you get some on your fingers (when it soaks through a towel), and the stuff feels weird, and it's hard to get off your fingertips even after a few scrubbings with Go-Jo.

My Firestones balanced nicely. But (and this is weird) when I switch between some BFG T/A's (14x7) and F70 redline Firestones (two sets of rally wheels, all balanced and done up nicely), the steering wheel is not centered, but the car still goes down the road straight! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif Don't know which set is the problem, I suspect the radials. Since I don't change very often, I simply unbolt the steering wheel and moved it a few notches. But it's weird because the car still goes down the road straight and does not pull with either set of wheels/tires on the car.

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Well, I have bias on the Camaro. Nothing can take the place of Goodyear E75-15's on the front and L60-15's on the rear. IT DOES SUCK when the tires want to follow every groove....That why I drive it fast. On the other-hand, the Big car Impala rides GREAT with the Coker Radials, especially down the NJTP or 295.

Oh yea....that is Courtney Hansen from Speedvision PowerBlock TV doing an interview using the two Rats as a backdrop.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...maroImpala.jpg
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http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...n_Cortney1.jpg

Jeff x 2 https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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That's really cool Jeff! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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That's really cool Jeff! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I have a 16x20 (ish) framed photo of Jeff's Camaro hanging in my garage. It's the photo where he's lighting them up on the street. The quintessential muscle car image.

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couple things about the Coker's

they have NO speed rating..

they may not be round...

take that for what it's worth

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Yeah, I got lucky with my Cokers--they balanced easily (not a lot of weight). I'll probably go with the UVT F70 pinner whites.

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That's really cool Jeff! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I have a 16x20 (ish) framed photo of Jeff's Camaro hanging in my garage. It's the photo where he's lighting them up on the street. The quintessential muscle car image.

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I have one too! Jeff's a cool cat! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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My tires were shipped on Monday out of the USA, here at my place in Red Deer , Alberta, Canada by noon friday. Hats of to Rusty (smallhurst) for going that extra mile for a perfect stranger. IÌI get Bruce to post some pic`s of it after I get them on the car. Thanks again all. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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Here's the before and after https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...9NovaSS006.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...n_FtMac026.jpg

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Thanks Bruce for putting up the picturtes.
I think Camarojoe said it best in this post, zero to hero. What a difference it make in the appearance of the car. It does grab some of the grooves in the road now, but nothin to out of control. Happy cruisin everyone. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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Thanks Bruce for putting up the picturtes.
I think Camarojoe said it best in this post, zero to hero. What a difference it make in the appearance of the car. It does grab some of the grooves in the road now, but nothin to out of control. Happy cruisin everyone. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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I Agree https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif it looks much better now.
Nothing looks better than the original set up.

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I forgot to mention. Someone was asking me the best way to take care of the apperance of the sidewalls--- SOS pads!!! It is amazing what those little things will do for a set of round rubber donuts!!!

Point of information:

For reproduction tires, there are two players in town, the rest are resellers of the tires they put out.

Coker-- Firestone and BFG reproduction bias plys

Kelsey-- All Goodyear reproduction tires, bias ply as well as the Customgard Flexten 'Radial GT' that came out on the '78 Indy Pace Car 'Vette and the upcoming Polysteel Radials, 225/60/15.

Darcy,

That car is lookin bad! I hope that you enjoy them!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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My tires were shipped on Monday out of the USA, here at my place in Red Deer , Alberta, Canada by noon friday. Hats of to Rusty (smallhurst) for going that extra mile for a perfect stranger. IÌI get Bruce to post some pic`s of it after I get them on the car. Thanks again all. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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Here's the before and after https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...9NovaSS006.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...n_FtMac026.jpg

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That thing rocks with redlines!!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif