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njsteve 12-19-2018 11:03 PM

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On the vertical face of the side of the block down by the oil pan rail on the passenger side, half way down the block. Its on a machined out three inch by one inch section.

Charley Lillard 12-19-2018 11:04 PM

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Proper ammeter bypass

Charley Lillard 12-19-2018 11:05 PM

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Charley Lillard 12-19-2018 11:17 PM

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My block does not have that pad.

Charley Lillard 12-19-2018 11:22 PM

Google search looks like 2536430 is a 1970 service replacement short block.

A12pilot 12-20-2018 01:39 AM

Excellent! Glad you found the weak link and glad it was relatively easy to find considering it could have been anywhere!:biggthumpup: Wait, something I suggested was actually the solution? Man...I think this will go down in history as the first time that I actually helped someone over the internet fix a car rather than the other way around! :headbang:

Love the sound of that burnout!

Cheers:beers:
Dave

olredalert 12-20-2018 03:29 PM

----There's the blood and the arthritis for me as well, Charley. I feel your pain.....daily!...…..Bill S

RS_COPO_Canuck 12-20-2018 04:29 PM

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No idea on the engine paint but probably that way since 88 at least. Runs good. Where are engine #'s ?

Engine date on top pad beside distributor. Should have a F (for 70 model year) 440 for engine size, and a month and day number. Should also have an HP or HP2 on there - hiding under the spark plug wire bracket. There could be other symbols as well for bearing size info etc.

Here is a pic of a 69 which has an E. 70 is F. Date is 4 8 ....which is April 8

VIN pad right side, above oil pan toward front of engine. Should match the trans VIN exactly

Canuck 12-20-2018 04:49 PM

I always thought of Charlie as the ultimate Camaro,Yenko,Copo guy. In recent years I have seen his Ford Convertibles Pontiac,Riviera and now tinkering with a Mopar. There is hope yet!

RS_COPO_Canuck 12-20-2018 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Charley Lillard (Post 1426909)
Google search looks like 2536430 is a 1970 service replacement short block.

That is a good casting number.
I have never seen any 440 block without a VIN pad....unless it's early....like maybe a '66-'68. Before they were stamping on the top rear of the block, near where the trans mates to the engine. After you stop bleeding have another look :).
Wonder what the casting date is. Block almost looks turquoise in the pics....may be early.

Charley Lillard 12-20-2018 08:25 PM

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What year is B ?

Charley Lillard 12-20-2018 08:26 PM

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njsteve 12-20-2018 08:30 PM

Is that a 4/18/1968 casting date code on the intake?

Lee Stewart 12-20-2018 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Charley Lillard (Post 1427079)
What year is B ?

1966 Charley. Probably out of a large Chrysler or Dodge. Chrysler called it the 440 TNT (IMO)

https://i.postimg.cc/Vkzfm4Rw/screenshot-6772.png

https://i.postimg.cc/0y2SFCkf/screenshot-6773.png

Charley Lillard 12-20-2018 11:09 PM

What I thought was I was buying was a #'s matching car. The dealer I bought from has apologized and agreed to refund my money. Bummer.

Crush 12-20-2018 11:12 PM

That’s cool they are giving your money back.

Mr70 12-20-2018 11:17 PM

Have you checked the engine,trans & rear of the Cyclone too?

WILMASBOYL78 12-20-2018 11:32 PM

Old skin...
 
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Bingo...pulled apart the bulkhead connectors and cleaned etc but nothing. Then pulled the aftermarket radio to get at the ammeter, put a jumper wire and bingo. Same thing happened with my old Toyota 2000GT. Took me forever to find it that time. The bigger issue is my "old man skin". It gets depressing when every time you bump or scrape against something you are bleeding. I used to do this stuff for a living and now I need a supply of bandaids and Advil.

Try this before your next project...it is supposed to help "mature skin' :wink:

cudino 12-21-2018 12:41 AM

Bummer Charley, I thought you were gonna finally join us Mopar-ites! Too bad, but glad to hear it is all getting unwound.

Another thing on the stripes. In addition to the (incorrect) ’71-style stripe is the whiteout on the hood. That is also incorrect. The only hood treatment available on 1970 Challengers was the V21 option, which is a similar-looking hood treatment like this, but was only available in black. While white may look great on this car, unfortunately it was N/A. This car is coded for V6W, which would be the white ’70-style longitudinal stripe, but was not coded for the V21 hood blackout treatment.

- Wade

Charley Lillard 12-21-2018 01:39 AM

I been joined forever. Still have the Chrysler sno runner here waiting for Saruk to pick it up

Lee Stewart 12-21-2018 01:44 AM

Charley . . . glad you were able to return the car and get your money back. Lots more wrong on that car:

https://i.postimg.cc/xCKVKMzr/IMG-4180.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/bvShwKYw/65.jpg

That isn't the original vinyl top. The 1970 Challenger had a unique placement for the seams (it was a styling que) as seen in the bottom photo. Compare them to the car you had

Lee Stewart 12-21-2018 02:02 AM

Here is what the car looked like color wise as per the fender tag:

https://i.postimg.cc/cH8Qx7bn/urf.jpg

Yours didn't have the hood pins, rear spoiler or color matching mirrors.

Mr70 12-21-2018 02:17 AM

Charley is the guy who sold you this Challenger,the same guy who sold you the Cyclone too?

Charley Lillard 12-21-2018 02:45 AM

Yes

Charley Lillard 12-21-2018 02:47 AM

It will be a cool car restored but not by me. Optioned killer. Now I have to find another plum challenger crazy

Lee Stewart 12-21-2018 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Charley Lillard (Post 1427128)
It will be a cool car restored but not by me. Optioned killer. Now I have to find another plum challenger crazy

https://i.postimg.cc/ydcCF5GY/qq.jpg

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...r/2203486.html

cudino 12-21-2018 03:52 AM

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It will be a cool car restored but not by me. Optioned killer. Now I have to find another plum challenger crazy

If it helps, FC7 Plum Crazy was by far the most popular color on US-shipped 1970 Challengers. For the performance-minded Challenger R/T models, 22.2% of them (~3000 cars) were ordered in purple, almost 3x more popular than secondmost color chosen (EB5 blue, at 8.3%). But purple on white, which a lot of guys (including me) really dig, will be harder to come by. Maybe Lee’s onto something?

- Wade

A12pilot 12-21-2018 09:28 AM

Wow! In this day and age, how could one sell a car as numbers matching when it clearly is not? Just a quick internet search by anyone would answer a bunch of questions. What a shame, Charley.:thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumb sdown::thumbsdown:

Amazing they are agreeing to give you your money back. That is unlike most.

Well, that’s it then...the one time I helped someone and back the car goes to where from which it came from.:hmmm:

Glad it all worked out in the end for you though. You need a 70 FC7 340 Shaker 4spd Cuda! You can’t just drive it home after MCACN 2020:laugh::laugh:

Cheers:beers:

Dave

Charley Lillard 12-21-2018 12:45 PM

When I told them about the engine they offered to take it back. I offered to even take a 1000.00 hit but they insisted on refunding all my money. I think they just assumed by the history and how orig. looking under the hood that it was a #'s car. As did I. The paint etc was done over 30 years ago. It is optioned just about perfectly how I want one and I'll probably regret it.

Lee Stewart 12-21-2018 04:32 PM

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When I told them about the engine they offered to take it back. I offered to even take a 1000.00 hit but they insisted on refunding all my money. I think they just assumed by the history and how orig. looking under the hood that it was a #'s car. As did I. The paint etc was done over 30 years ago. It is optioned just about perfectly how I want one and I'll probably regret it.

I really hope you don't regret your decision Charley. There was so much wrong with the car. No one mentioned that the FT shows power brakes (B51) but there's no power brake booster! Wrong paint scheme, wrong engine, wrong vinyl top, wrong brake setup, etc.

So you want a Plum Crazy Challenger R/T with 440 magnum, PS, PB (PFDB?), AT and A/C. Is that the configuration that you want?

I don't have to tell you of all people the difference between buying a finished car versus one that needs a full resto as far as money, time and headaches go.

Wintertime is a good time to buy cars. Prices will be at their lowest. And winter just started.

Charley Lillard 12-21-2018 06:00 PM

It does have the power brake booster and the fender tag does show V1W= white vinyl top.

Lee Stewart 12-21-2018 06:18 PM

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It does have the power brake booster and the fender tag does show V1W= white vinyl top.

It has a booster? Hard to tell from your photo:

https://i.postimg.cc/vZ0zrdCG/IMG-4173.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/DwNGfft4/654.jpg

As I explained. Vinyl top is incorrect. Not stock.

Charley Lillard 12-21-2018 06:32 PM

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What am I missing ?

Lee Stewart 12-21-2018 06:35 PM

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What am I missing ?

OK - MUCH better picture. Go back to the top of page 7 to see the correct way a vinyl top was installed at the factory on a 1970 Challenger.

Charley Lillard 12-21-2018 06:43 PM

Would have been easier if you had just stated that the vinyl top that is on it was done incorrectly. The way you stated it I got the impression you were saying it shouldn't have a vinyl top. Wrong tires also if we are going that route. Wrong brakes ?

njsteve 12-22-2018 07:11 PM

Does anyone reproduce the correct vinyl top with the wide seams? I remember that was the big dilemma back in the day when I was playing with these Mopars.

Lee Stewart 12-22-2018 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by njsteve (Post 1427369)
Does anyone reproduce the correct vinyl top with the wide seams? I remember that was the big dilemma back in the day when I was playing with these Mopars.

Year One and Classic Industries

Charley Lillard 12-27-2018 01:50 AM

Does anyone know this car ?
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0119-36...ge-challenger/

Charley Lillard 12-27-2018 01:50 AM

Plum Crazy with White interior
426 CI Hemi engine
4-speed transmission
Award winning build
Numerous appearances in Muscle Car Review magazine
Estimated in over 100 national magazines
Named in the Top Ten Hot Rods in the Hot Rod magazine
Featured in YearOne catalog and Diamond Piston for advertisement
World famous Dave Dudek 1970 Challenger
White vinyl top

tom406 12-27-2018 04:36 AM

Originally a 340 car, built for FAST. If it still has the Dudek FAST spec motor (I'm guessing not) it should be a ball to drive.
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp...ge-challenger/


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