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POPCORN PLEASE

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Bill,

From what you've posted, it's easier to understand what's probably gone on...and you're right, the truth'll all come out when it does. .
I for one am sorry if offence has been taken for anything said but please understand your sale of the motor etc. has brought things to light for some of those who care about these creatures...maybe this was your auction's intention? .
Best of luck with this situation and your collection, perhaps you could share a few of your cars here some other day...like tomorrow! .

I feel any more regarding this subject is not my place so I'll step aside w/ any further comments...but I'm surely interested in what transpires from here on as an observer! .

Merry Christmas to all!
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~ Pete

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Yo....Darren? At least I'm on the outside of this chat!!! lololololo No more controversy for me https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif BWAG told me all i need to know. NOW...if he could just find that other shoebox!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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So...your ad stated you didn't know if this car was stolen or crushed. Now you are 95% sure it was crushed. You are not interested in getting the car back (if you actually owned it which I don't think anyone here can be sure of based on what you have shown). So I guess the question needs to be asked...are you bringing this to light so the truth about the car is known...kind of a public service deal for the satisfaction of helping the hobby or ?

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Aarrgh! I can't stand it! If I owned a ZL1 and still had the drivetrain AND the car was "gone" AND I had the slightest flicker of hope that it still existed, I'd gather all the kings horses and men and turn over every rock! If this VIN is known on a car in a specific state, let alone a specific owner, you could have a current registration in hours or days just using the internet!! Furthermore, it would seem to me to be pretty easy to instigate an official investigation (as mentioned previously), pronto!

Why wouldn't you do this, especially if you were the bonafide owner????? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

Dave

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Hey Dave...Merry Christmas! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Aarrgh! I can't stand it! If I owned a ZL1 and still had the drivetrain AND the car was "gone" AND I had the slightest flicker of hope that it still existed, I'd gather all the kings horses and men and turn over every rock! If this VIN is known on a car in a specific state, let alone a specific owner, you could have a current registration in hours or days just using the internet!! Furthermore, it would seem to me to be pretty easy to instigate an official investigation (as mentioned previously), pronto!

Why wouldn't you do this, especially if you were the bonafide owner????? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

Dave

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Exactly. If you are the owner and know where the car is then go take care of business. Seems simple to me, cut and dry, unless of course your not.

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You all have to give this guy a break it might cost a couple <2> thousand dollars for plane fair ect to track down this car and if you found it the finished # matching car say the body is still usable after restoration is only worth say $ 750 thousand doesnt really sound like a good deal to me

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Hi Charley,
Yes I am the guy who own's the COPO and LS6 conv. Yes I am the guy who made a stink about the car# 66,

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But he already knows where it is... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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I cannot believe the attitude of some members here. Why not expose a fake, if that’s what it is? After reading some of the posts it’s clear that some sYc members are upset and angry at Bill for exposing this car in public. I ask why? Bill is only trying to get to the truth of the matter by exposing his situation in public, and I commend him for that. Bill has stated that he contacted the dealer in Arizona and they blew him off. Bill has stated that he feels 95% sure the car was crushed, so why is there a car 66? I know one this is sure, if ZL-1 #66 is up for sale I’m going to approach it with caution, what about the rest of you? THANKS Bill!! Correct me if I’m wrong, if any sYc member doesn’t think that exposing a FAKE ZL-1 on this site is important and relevant then I can only assume that you embrace the fraud and deceit that is prevalent in this hobby?

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Too many details missing to draw any conclusions. I think everyone is interested in exposing fakes, but short of bonafide proof, then most would take a cautious approach before passing judgement on either party. I am waiting to see "the river card". https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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ZL1#17...Are you positive what Bill is saying is true ? Did Bill just call the dealer or did he get law enforcement involved ? Are you telling me he finds the ZL1 he has ownership of, calls the dealer, they blow him off and he lets it go at that ? We are taliking about a car worth somewhere around a million dollars and he lets it go at that ? There is clearly more to this story that Bill is not telling us and he even hinted at it. You are trashing a car without facts and it is very unfair to the owner of the car. Please post facts if you or Bill have them but stop calling the car a fake just because Bill says it might be. Bill is 95% sure it was crushed. What if it turns out to be the 5% and the car was not crushed but you and Bill trashed it ? Bill needs to quit playing games...If he has a "river card" that proves his case he needs to play it and stop all this crap !

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IM all fore exposing fakes as u all know im with Charlie on this one i dont think bill is telling all the facts if i had proof of ownership id be calling my lawyer let him call the police to sort it out. Then legally get the car impounded until the court case is over and if car 66 wasnt my car id pay lawyer fees for the guy out west and apologise to him for the incoviniece ive caused <font color="red"> </font> MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif TO ALL JEFF

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....if i had proof of ownership id be calling my lawyer let him call the police to sort it out. Then legally get the car impounded until the court case is over and if car 66 wasnt my car id pay lawyer fees for the guy out west and apologise to him for the incoviniece ive caused

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I prefer to stay out of these Supercar fights because they
do tend to get nasty. But I have to say that I agree with
this statement. Start the legal proceedings and let the
lawyers sort it out. If a bona-fide ZL-1, it's worth much
more than the legal fees.

However, I am very interested to learn if the ZL-1 in
question is proported to have its original drivetrain.
This is a point I have raised here many times concerning
all these Supercars with original "born with" components.

We should all want to know the conclusion to this story
for the sake of our hobby. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

Steve

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Rick,

The issue with this is how it's being done. Why so much melodrama here?

IF this person is telling the truth...then he needs to lay it ALL out on the table with no BS-start to finish.

Like Charley said...stick to the FACTS...not "I heard this from..."

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"However, I am very interested to learn if the ZL-1 in
question is proported to have its original drivetrain.
This is a point I have raised here many times concerning
all these Supercars with original "born with" components.
We should all want to know the conclusion to this story
for the sake of our hobby.
Steve "

I agree steve. I certinly do not know either of the people involved. BUT, if #66 is reported to have the born with drivetrain, and, this guy Bill has the original motor and rear, then Houston, someone has a problem.

Also, for the sake of argument, if I were the owner of a 1M$+ #66, and I really belived it to be real and #Match, I would be on here in a heartbeat to state my claim.

Just sayin, that argument goes both ways.

Has anyone gone to see the ebay ZL1 drivetrain to see if it looks real? The #66 Drivetrain?

Sucks for somebody.

Rich

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Reminds me of the movie Hang'm High with Clint Eastwood !!

Remember the beginning of the Movie ?????????????

SOME of you guys like to shoot first and ask ?'s later.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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I cannot believe the attitude of some members here. Why not expose a fake, if that’s what it is? After reading some of the posts it’s clear that some sYc members are upset and angry at Bill for exposing this car in public. I ask why? Bill is only trying to get to the truth of the matter by exposing his situation in public, and I commend him for that. Bill has stated that he contacted the dealer in Arizona and they blew him off. Bill has stated that he feels 95% sure the car was crushed, so why is there a car 66? I know one this is sure, if ZL-1 #66 is up for sale I’m going to approach it with caution, what about the rest of you? THANKS Bill!! Correct me if I’m wrong, if any sYc member doesn’t think that exposing a FAKE ZL-1 on this site is important and relevant then I can only assume that you embrace the fraud and deceit that is prevalent in this hobby?

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I cant imagine anyone on this site not wanting to expose a fake. so far nothing has been exposed, no fake car, no real car. I dont see anyone angry here, just many concerned enthusiasts that are trying to keep our hobby honest.
I dont how it would be even remotely possible for someone to fake a ZL1 that just happens to have the same picked out of a hat VIN as a ZL1 that was sitting in a junk yard or crushed or stolen unless they had that car or knowledge of it or its tags.
If I saw my missing car for sale or was told by a reliable source that it existed and was for sale you can bet your rear end I'd be there with my old photos, registration stubs, bill of sale, insurance cards and the freakin police. And that is for my 66 caprice that would only be worth about 10 grand if it has been garaged since it went missing 20 years ago.
so cut the crap and lay out the facts!!

JMHO


Chris https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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I cannot believe the attitude of some members here. Why not expose a fake, if that’s what it is? After reading some of the posts it’s clear that some sYc members are upset and angry at Bill for exposing this car in public. I ask why? Bill is only trying to get to the truth of the matter by exposing his situation in public, and I commend him for that. Bill has stated that he contacted the dealer in Arizona and they blew him off. Bill has stated that he feels 95% sure the car was crushed, so why is there a car 66? I know one this is sure, if ZL-1 #66 is up for sale I’m going to approach it with caution, what about the rest of you? THANKS Bill!! Correct me if I’m wrong, if any sYc member doesn’t think that exposing a FAKE ZL-1 on this site is important and relevant then I can only assume that you embrace the fraud and deceit that is prevalent in this hobby?

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Nobody exposed a fake yet. How the hell do YOU know it's a fake ? Pretty stupid comment about people on this site not wanting to expose fraud. You are reading the thread here right ? If you choose to make your decision based on what "Bill" has said...go for it...I see absolutely no proof of anything concrete. In fact I don't really have any stake in this and I really dont care. I would assume you don't either other than to help the hobby right?.I will make my own decision when the cards have all been laid on the table along with others on the site.. Don't run your mouth about who on this site may have "embraced the fraud" ...thats just talking out of school...if you are offended that people are questioning the whole story ..as they should...go elsewhere.

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Was this car ever registered to someone in Michigan ?

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I cannot believe the attitude of some members here. Why not expose a fake, if that’s what it is? After reading some of the posts it’s clear that some sYc members are upset and angry at Bill for exposing this car in public. I ask why? Bill is only trying to get to the truth of the matter by exposing his situation in public, and I commend him for that. Bill has stated that he contacted the dealer in Arizona and they blew him off. Bill has stated that he feels 95% sure the car was crushed, so why is there a car 66? I know one this is sure, if ZL-1 #66 is up for sale I’m going to approach it with caution, what about the rest of you? THANKS Bill!! Correct me if I’m wrong, if any sYc member doesn’t think that exposing a FAKE ZL-1 on this site is important and relevant then I can only assume that you embrace the fraud and deceit that is prevalent in this hobby?

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Nobody exposed a fake yet. How the hell do YOU know it's a fake ? Pretty stupid comment about people on this site not wanting to expose fraud. You are reading the thread here right ? If you choose to make your decision based on what "Bill" has said...go for it...I see absolutely no proof of anything concrete. In fact I don't really have any stake in this and I really dont care. I would assume you don't either other than to help the hobby right?.I will make my own decision when the cards have all been laid on the table along with others on the site.. Don't run your mouth about who on this site may have "embraced the fraud" ...thats just talking out of school...if you are offended that people are questioning the whole story ..as they should...go elsewhere.

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The moderators here have done an awesome job at this discussion. Just lay ALL the facts out in a timeline and then it should be easy to figure out what is what. Otherwise this will never end truthfully. I don't care either other than for the hobby as a whole. The guys on this board are awesome and actually are just the opposite - they expose fraud and don't like it!!

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I have 2 factual questions &gt;&gt;&gt;

1) does CT have titles? if so and Bill never sold the car he should have the title... if he IS a salvage yard operator he legally must have titles for cars in his yard, so if they are crushed it can be proven they were destroyed, and the title would reflect such.... for an employee of his to *misplace* the car would mean the same title for the same car got misplaced as well right?? what are the odd's of that??

2) does the state the car resides in now have titles?

just because someone shows up with a *supposed* registration, without a title doesn't mean he currently owns/ever did own said car... I've still got expired tags and registrations for at least a dozen prior cars/trucks i've owned in the last 10 years sitting right here in front of me...

hint.. hint...

JH

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This thread is just too damn wide!

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thats good to know i still have paperwork on my L-89 that i sold i mean that i think i crushed &lt; wink wink &gt; i need to contact police to get it back i sold it way cheap lol

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The more I read this the more I get sick to my stomach. Guy comes on here, posts some hokey story with absolutely nothing to back any of it up...discredits a car...and maybe thats the only thing he wanted to accomplish ? NOTHING here shows anything to back up this guys claim. In fact...I think without anything else...we ought to close this bullcrap thread...because it sounds more and more like a real cheesy way to hurt a CAR that he doesn't own and probably never did. So ZL17 or vodoo...put up or shut up. Real soon too. Not gonna let you use this site to pull a fast one.

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I agree, this thread has been a real downer and has caused my wife to over shop. I keep looking for those who have made claims to come forward with facts but maybe there are none and its all seasonal https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

This is the first disapointing thread Ive seen on this site.
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Shut the damm thing down!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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Yeah, I think the 5 newly found and Ontario registered ZL1s was much more interesting! Oh yeah, now its 6 new ones in Ontario! Anyone know the # 48 history??
Mark

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This is the first disapointing thread Ive seen on this site.
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Chris, It doesn't happen very often any more. Plus the mods that we have here are very patient...and will do the right thing when it's time. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I dont see any need to lock this thread just yet.

Give the guy a some time to reply with (hopefully) some more info on the situation. He might not have any, but by locking it we won't know.

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The N.Y.Nicks vs. Denver Nuggets fight
Miss Nevada scandalous risque photos
Chicago Bear Tank Williams shooting
Rosie O'Donnel vs. Donald Trump
Miss USA lude behavior

Now ZL-1 #66

Merry Christmas everybody.. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/snowball.gifhttp://www.winsite.com/holiday/christmas-tree-small.GIF

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I dont see any need to lock this thread just yet.

Give the guy a some time to reply with (hopefully) some more info on the situation. He might not have any, but by locking it we won't know.

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I think I'm with Dave on this one..........

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this could be a big deal car 66 and orig drivetrain reuniting if that is all true we all want it to happen let the true owner win lets get it solved this year not many days left

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No doubt the true owner already has the car....this was so stupid ...what a friggin joke. If this cat comes back with anything besides more manure I'll be the firsy to eat crow...but I doubt its gonna happen...the silence is deafening...maybe he used voodoo to stick pins in the real owner and car huh ! If he wants to come up with more information..he can do it in another thread..or better yet...somewhere else. River cards...what a crock...

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So then, what does anyone know about car #66?
As in the car "out west" that was up for auction last year?

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Bob......I'm with you! I got your back on that call!
Sounds like B.S. to me https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Jeff x2 https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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No doubt the true owner already has the car....this was so stupid ...what a friggin joke. If this cat comes back with anything besides more manure I'll be the firsy to eat crow...but I doubt its gonna happen...the silence is deafening...maybe he used voodoo to stick pins in the real owner and car huh ! If he wants to come up with more information..he can do it in another thread..or better yet...somewhere else. River cards...what a crock...

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I will respectfully disagree.

We have yet to hear the full story from either side as of yet. Who is right or not, I dont know, nor do I have any affiliation with either.

Not everyone stays updated on a regular basis to boards like this one. Maybe he hasnt had the chance to reply. Maybe he never will, who knows. Keep in mind that the guy with the #66 car in AZ hasnt come forth with any information himself.

But there seems to be an issue here, with a ZL1 with (supposedly) #s drivetrain, and someone with (supposedly) the original drivetrain from the same car.

To end the discussion without resolution would be similar to turning your head and looking the other way on the ordeal.

Just my 2c.

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Dave...he is saying he OWNED the car and parked a ZL1 in a boneyard and doesn't know if it was stolen or crushed !!! He came here specifically to let us all know what he wabted to tell us with no facts or proof of anything...and I think we fell for it..I know nothing about the 66 car...but this story is https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif .Not many people with a ZL1 would lose track of their car. Maybe someone knows something factual.

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That is true, Belair.

Im just saying that it would be beneficial to have full disclosure regarding both sides of the story, that's all.

I think it would be better to at least attempt to get to the bottom of all of this rather than just close the discussion down without a resolution.

Maybe hes telling the truth, maybe its all BS. But we dont know for sure yet either way.

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We'll see....