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http://cgi.ebay.com/1971-DODGE-DEMON-GSS...6e#ht_614wt_907

Here is a link to an ad for the 71 GSS. Sorry for the entire ad being posted, the picture wouldn't clip for me.

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Try this:

http://i.ebayimg.com/19/%21CE3VEbwCW...MQ%7E%7E_3.JPG

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72 6 Pack Chargers definately qualify for Factory Freaks.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1568/72charger.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/251...v2g100075b.jpg
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/9...v2g100075c.jpg
http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/5...v2g100075d.jpg
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/2...v2g100075e.jpg

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So far I want every car shown in this thread.

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I just joined this board, and have been going through all the old posts. I guess it's the Other Muscle section I need to hang out in. Great article on the 72 Charger 440 Six Pack. I nearly fell over when I saw this article a couple months ago. You never know what's out there. For years people said my 71 Bee 440 Six Pack 4-speed was a freak (back in the 70's), but they did make several (30 4-speeds to be exact). But back in the 70's, production numbers were hard to come by, and we never saw another one like mine until the late 1980's.

The 72 in the article above is a TRUE factory freak!

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Not sure why a Six Pack Bee would be considered a freak.

Now, a 440 Magnum Bee? THAT's a FREAK!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure why a Six Pack Bee would be considered a freak.

Now, a 440 Magnum Bee? THAT's a FREAK! </div></div>

Why would the 440 Magnum be any more or less of a freak than the 6-pack? 26 440 Magnums were built and 30 6 Pack 4spd Bee's were built. I would say thats apples to apples.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure why a Six Pack Bee would be considered a freak.
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Because it's a 1972. Official production of the Six Pack/Six Barrel engines ended in 71. But Chrysler initially advertised the motor as available in the 72 model year but then killed it prior to official release, though several early pilot, preproduction cars made it out of the gates and into private hands.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: njsteve</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure why a Six Pack Bee would be considered a freak.
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Because it's a 1972. Official production of the Six Pack/Six Barrel engines ended in 71. But Chrysler initially advertised the motor as available in the 72 model year but then killed it prior to official release, though several early pilot, preproduction cars made it out of the gates and into private hands. </div></div>

I think he was referring to a 71 Bee, Steve.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure why a Six Pack Bee would be considered a freak.

Now, a 440 Magnum Bee? THAT's a FREAK! </div></div>

Why would the 440 Magnum be any more or less of a freak than the 6-pack? 26 440 Magnums were built and 30 6 Pack 4spd Bee's were built. I would say thats apples to apples. </div></div>

Wouldn't the difference be that the Six Pack was &quot;officially&quot; available, the four barrel engine was not?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: old5.0</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure why a Six Pack Bee would be considered a freak.

Now, a 440 Magnum Bee? THAT's a FREAK! </div></div>

Why would the 440 Magnum be any more or less of a freak than the 6-pack? 26 440 Magnums were built and 30 6 Pack 4spd Bee's were built. I would say thats apples to apples. </div></div>

Wouldn't the difference be that the Six Pack was &quot;officially&quot; available, the four barrel engine was not? </div></div>

http://www.glenwood76.com/Coronet_Pr...65_76.htm#1971

5 motors available on the 71 bee.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: old5.0</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: njsteve</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure why a Six Pack Bee would be considered a freak.
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Because it's a 1972. Official production of the Six Pack/Six Barrel engines ended in 71. But Chrysler initially advertised the motor as available in the 72 model year but then killed it prior to official release, though several early pilot, preproduction cars made it out of the gates and into private hands. </div></div>

I think he was referring to a 71 Bee, Steve. </div></div>

Half the time I have a hard time figuring out what I am referring to, let alone anyone else. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: njsteve</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Half the time I have a hard time figuring out what I am referring to, let alone anyone else. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img] </div></div>

I feel the same about myself yet you've always made perfect sense to me Steve?!.

[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]
~ Pete

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Why would the 440 Magnum be any more or less of a freak than the 6-pack? 26 440 Magnums were built and 30 6 Pack 4spd Bee's were built. I would say thats apples to apples. </div></div>

Well, first of all you're using US-spec numbers, which don't include Canadian and export numbers, so I don't know how even the production numbers are.

However, the 440 Magnum was not supposed to be available on the Bee. This is pretty consistent in the life of both the Road Runner and the Super Bee from 1968-70. The '71 Bee with the 440 Magnum is an anomaly for some reason.

To answer Steve, I did mean the '72 - I just don't consider it a freak because it was a production car. The fact that the option was cancelled early-on doesn't make it a freak to me, but I can understand why someone else thinks it's a freak.

Here's some interesting trivia: The '72 Six Pack was not available with a 4-speed!

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Splitting hairs thinking the 72 is not a factory freak. To me it falls into the same catagory as the 71 Challenger TA. Advertised but not really available to the public.

IMO the 72 6 Pack Bee's and 6brl RR's are definately factory freaks.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=69hurstSC]
The '71 Bee with the 440 Magnum is an anomaly for some reason.
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I would assume this means you concede the fact that a 71 440-4 Bee is no more a factory freak than the 71 440-6 Bee?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Splitting hairs thinking the 72 is not a factory freak. To me it falls into the same catagory as the 71 Challenger TA. Advertised but not really available to the public.
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The Six Packs were built. The T/As were not. Hence, I don't see them in the same vein.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would assume this means you concede the fact that a 71 440-4 Bee is no more a factory freak than the 71 440-6 Bee?</div></div>

No, because the 440 Magnum wasn't supposed to be available on the Bee, while the Six Pack was. That's why the 26+ cars are anomalies.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The Six Packs were built. The T/As were not. Hence, I don't see them in the same vein.
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As Steve pointed out the 72 6pack cars were not built for consumer consumption. So yes, I would put these cars in the same vein as the promotional pictures of the 71 TA Challenger.

http://i52.tinypic.com/atkjdy.jpg

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How could they not be built for consumer consumption when they were released by the factory?

The T/A is a car that was never built. The Six Pack was.

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Pilot cars are not the same as factory production. Maybe your confused, were talking about 72 Chargers not 71.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: old5.0</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure why a Six Pack Bee would be considered a freak.

Now, a 440 Magnum Bee? THAT's a FREAK! </div></div>

Why would the 440 Magnum be any more or less of a freak than the 6-pack? 26 440 Magnums were built and 30 6 Pack 4spd Bee's were built. I would say thats apples to apples. </div></div>

Wouldn't the difference be that the Six Pack was &quot;officially&quot; available, the four barrel engine was not? </div></div>

http://www.glenwood76.com/Coronet_Pr...65_76.htm#1971

5 motors available on the 71 bee.
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Well, yeah, I'm aware that they built them. IIRC, the 71 Dodge order guide shows clearly &quot;opt. Super Bee&quot; under the 340 Mag., 440 Six Pack, and 426 Hemi. Under 440 Magnum, it says &quot;Standard R/T, opt. S.E.&quot;, with no mention of the Super Bee.

Additionally, I can't recall ever seeing any advertising mention the 440-4, nor can I recall ever seeing a road test of one, while both exist for the Six Pack and Hemi powered variants.

To me, that adds up to &quot;not officially available.&quot;

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pilot cars are not the same as factory production. Maybe your confused, were talking about 72 Chargers not 71. </div></div>

A car built after the first day of production could hardly be called &quot;pilot.&quot;

The fact is that there are a few surviving 1972 Mopars built with Six Packs that were built within the first two weeks of production.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: old5.0</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Additionally, I can't recall ever seeing any advertising mention the 440-4, nor can I recall ever seeing a road test of one, while both exist for the Six Pack and Hemi powered variants.

To me, that adds up to &quot;not officially available.&quot;</div></div>

&quot;In 1971, the Coronet name was used on 4 door Sedans and station wagons. The Super Bee continued on with a &quot;W&quot; VIN code designation but was called the Charger Super Bee. The Super Bee was the only car in the 1971 Mopar performance car line up to have five different engine options. Super Bees were made with a 440-4 bbl for a brief time yet it's companion, the Road Runner, did not receive this motor.&quot;

I'm no expert and I know posting information from another source is always subjective, but regardless of you hearing info about availability its obvious that some people knew the 440-4 was an option.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: njsteve</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure why a Six Pack Bee would be considered a freak.
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Because it's a 1972. Official production of the Six Pack/Six Barrel engines ended in 71. But Chrysler initially advertised the motor as available in the 72 model year but then killed it prior to official release, though several early pilot, preproduction cars made it out of the gates and into private hands. </div></div>

Not to drag Steve back into this (OK, maybe just a little) but if hes calling them preproduction and pilot cars than I'm not betting against him.

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If i recall correctly the 72 6-packs were killed due to emissions issues and they couldnt get them emissions certified. Remember, 72 was pretty much the drop dead year for all makes of engines to go to low compression. The 6-pack's 10.3 to 1 comp ratio just couldnt pass the federal emissions tests so they had to kill the optional engine.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I'm no expert and I know posting information from another source is always subjective, but regardless of you hearing info about availability its obvious that some people knew the 440-4 was an option. </div></div>

. . . or maybe the factory built them? The factory has been known to build goofs.

Now back to the '72 Six Pack:

I sent a note to the owner of one of the surviving Road Runners. This is what he said:
<span style="font-style: italic">My Car was built 8 days into production. The 2 Chargers were both very low vin numbers 7 and 46 if I remember right where mine is 5146 or something like that I would have to look at the car to make sure. </span>

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You can also see from this bulletin that the engine option had yet to be killed:

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/...b%201%20p2.jpg
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can also see from this bulletin that the engine option had yet to be killed:

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/...b%201%20p2.jpg
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com
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Good stuff, thanks for posting. As you know Dodge and Plymouth were two different animals. Just look at the fact that 440-4 71 Bee's were built yet no 440-4 Road Runners have been found.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Good stuff, thanks for posting. As you know Dodge and Plymouth were two different animals. Just look at the fact that 440-4 71 Bee's were built yet no 440-4 Road Runners have been found. </div></div>

The reason why no 440 Super Commando Road Runners have been found is because they were not built per production records. The 440 Dodge thing was an anomaly, not some renegade Dodge product. It's an issue of marketing because the 440 Magnum Super Bee would have cut into the sales of the Charger R/T with the same engine, which was standard in that model.

There really isn't a circumstance where one engine was available on a Dodge but not a Plymouth. Sure, maybe the 'Cuda had a 340 but the Challenger R/T did not - the 340 was available on the base Challenger - but for the most part they offered the same things.

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The 80 1969 Badger Javelins

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7...ingiveaway.jpg

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What's that?

And any relation to the honey badger?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

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Randall's AMC in Mesa, Az. (home of the 401 Gremlins) built a 401 Pacer for a guy, back in the day. While not radical or especially high-performing, the combo of economy car/big engine in such an UGLY, gas-mileage minded car surely qualifies as freaky &amp; was produced by a musclecar dealer.

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How's about a Boss 302 Maverick? Or, even better, a Boss 351 Mav?

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/e...306/mtaug1.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/e...306/mtaug2.jpg

This is an article about a dealer built Boss '2 Mav, but I'm certain the factory considered both builds. I'm equally certain that at least one set of exhaust manifolds for the Boss 302 was cast.