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How did I do?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps5af98d5b.jpg I should get them back from the powder coater this week... then time to install on my Z28! Before anyone asks, these were painted in a POR15 tar paint and could not be saved without full restoration. Dan |
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my 69 Z/28 is in Day-2 trim with many old Day-2 correct parts. Sam's car is an original Day-2 car with the orignal Day-2 parts on his car. To me that is a difference. Its like building a "replica" racecar out of a camaro, nova, mustang, cuda etc. Dan, those bars are the holy grail. Good deal!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Born30YrsLate</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that is because it is a "real" Day-2 car and not a replica like most are. everything original to the car from Day-2 back in the day. </div></div>
Sammy...did you just seperate Day2 into classes?...original Day2 and Clone Day2?... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Charley.gif[/img] </div></div> OMG... I think I might fall into Sammy's new "Day 2 clone class" [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img] |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m22mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Born30YrsLate</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that is because it is a "real" Day-2 car and not a replica like most are. everything original to the car from Day-2 back in the day. </div></div>
Sammy...did you just seperate Day2 into classes?...original Day2 and Clone Day2?... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Charley.gif[/img] </div></div> OMG... I think I might fall into Sammy's new "Day 2 clone class" [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img] </div></div> Will the "original" ones need to be verified using proper documentation? Such as dated receipts or letters from former, or current, speed shop owners authenticating the parts purchases? lol |
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all that I am saying is that Sam's is the epitome of Day-2. When I bought my car I installed the correct Day-2 stuff on it. When Sam bought his car the Day-2 stuff from the get go was on it. Therefore my car like many in my opinion are cloned in Day-2 with the correct vintage parts. And I forgot to mention Schoney's "original owner" Deuce with the original Day-2 stuff from 1970 era.
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Understand...back to cookie cutter as-delivered it is...HA...nah, I Day2'd my car to how I would have done it if I had lived it the first go-round...someone's gotta bust ur balls Sal!...
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I personally think as long as the parts are period correct vintage, its still 'Day 2" in my book. No clones about it! Seriously though, the only "original" Day 2 cars in my opinion were the Baldwin Motion cars. Anything else was delivered stock and the parts were installed after the fact so they're all clones.
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If I installed those parts on my survivor nova that I have on my camaro I would consider my nova as a "correct" Day-2 replica. And Fred you are right to do so. You said it yourself you restored your COPO as a Day-2 car with the correct parts for a Day-2 look.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If I bought a 3,000 mile survivor today, and then installed vintage NOS "Day 2" parts, would it then technically be considered genuine Day 2 since the car was never modded until that point in time? </div></div> I suppose so. It was just a verrrryyyy loooonnngggg second day.... K |
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I've been thinking about putting a name or something, in metal flake, on the rear of the Vega. Since we are now dissecting if Day 2 is clone or original, I think the name will be "Unaffiliated"..lol
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Anyone need a day 1 driver for their day 2 car!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I personally think as long as the parts are period correct vintage, its still 'Day 2" in my book. No clones about it! Seriously though, the only "original" Day 2 cars in my opinion were the Baldwin Motion cars. Anything else was delivered stock and the parts were installed after the fact so they're all clones.
If I bought a 3,000 mile survivor today, and then installed vintage NOS "Day 2" parts, would it then technically be considered genuine Day 2 since the car was never modded until that point in time? </div></div>No I dont believe so Matt...You have to remember these were times when you made the car your own with your personality all over it like writing names and phrases on the fenders and putting the performance parts you like the best ETC I don think sammy was trying to start anything but he remembers the good ole days and us old timers who was there still likes when a genuine Day 2 car is found in a barn or old garage and brings back the memories on how we streetraced and hung out thats all..I think its a nice testamint to those who want to replicate a time gone by but theres nothing like finding a real day 2 car that was beat the snot out of and ruled the streets in your hometown...Hope im not pissing anyone off but thats how i feel.. |
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Well said GTO Don.
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So we have As Found restored to day 2/raced ? Which is one side of the fence that's cool .As found as survivor (except the mouse piss smell)That's cool (I will tell you i am not looking for a 30 year old mouse to replace the smell in my latest find )Then their is oem restored that is also cool .. So tell me what is the wrong why to enjoy and save these cars ?
"Except my opinion and my pinion only to take a car with race history or history and put it back to stock " Take Big willy of the LA street racers Super birds or the Red Alert chevelle etc etc.Think these kids cared if or were their cars fell? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53T7zpI8C80 |
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Too many cool old race cars fall under the knife anymore for restoration cough cough the green copo Camaro cough cough
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Thats because non car guys think they need everything shiny. Strip all history from the vehicle. Some things/cars need attention but many do not and in my opinion should be preserved if at all possible.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I personally think as long as the parts are period correct vintage, its still 'Day 2" in my book. No clones about it! Seriously though, the only "original" Day 2 cars in my opinion were the Baldwin Motion cars. Anything else was delivered stock and the parts were installed after the fact so they're all clones.
If I bought a 3,000 mile survivor today, and then installed vintage NOS "Day 2" parts, would it then technically be considered genuine Day 2 since the car was never modded until that point in time? </div></div>No I dont believe so Matt...You have to remember these were times when you made the car your own with your personality all over it like writing names and phrases on the fenders and putting the performance parts you like the best ETC I don think sammy was trying to start anything but he remembers the good ole days and us old timers who was there still likes when a genuine Day 2 car is found in a barn or old garage and brings back the memories on how we streetraced and hung out thats all..I think its a nice testamint to those who want to replicate a time gone by but theres nothing like finding a real day 2 car that was beat the snot out of and ruled the streets in your hometown...Hope im not pissing anyone off but thats how i feel.. </div></div> That's ridiculous Don. You're cutting down current generations and those yet to come who live and breath this stuff. The original day-2 cars are near impossible to find as is. Classifying good, honest cars turned into a "day-2" car today as clones because they were not such when new is asinine. I'm surprised more folk on this site who frequent this section of the forum are not offended. |
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Dan, these are just opinions. NOTHING wrong with the Day-2 themes of today. My Z is a an example of that. Its just a correct Day-2 clone in my opinion. Everything on my Z that is day-2 was put on by me. In that case my car is a Day-2 replica because I did the conversion 40 years after it was born. Again I will pick on Sam Griffith's car, My Z even with all the correct stuff, can't compete with a car like his or a Deuce like Schoenthaler's for a "real Day-2" title. How about the black Motion 69 camaro that we saw in Chicago a year or so ago. Another great example. They are truly Day-2 IMO. Dan, as always keep the opinions and responses coming. At least we all love the Day-2 theme and what it stands for.
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to quote Billy Crystal in Throw Mamma From the Train "I have a enormous headache in my eye."
Real and fake day 2 cars???? Really ? Tommy [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img] |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tommy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">to quote Billy Crystal in Throw Mamma From the Train "I have a enormous headache in my eye."
Real and fake day 2 cars???? Really ? Tommy [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img] </div></div> All are welcome to come over to the Unaffiliated side..lol |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I personally think as long as the parts are period correct vintage, its still 'Day 2" in my book. No clones about it! Seriously though, the only "original" Day 2 cars in my opinion were the Baldwin Motion cars. Anything else was delivered stock and the parts were installed after the fact so they're all clones.
If I bought a 3,000 mile survivor today, and then installed vintage NOS "Day 2" parts, would it then technically be considered genuine Day 2 since the car was never modded until that point in time? </div></div>No I dont believe so Matt...You have to remember these were times when you made the car your own with your personality all over it like writing names and phrases on the fenders and putting the performance parts you like the best ETC I don think sammy was trying to start anything but he remembers the good ole days and us old timers who was there still likes when a genuine Day 2 car is found in a barn or old garage and brings back the memories on how we streetraced and hung out thats all..I think its a nice testamint to those who want to replicate a time gone by but theres nothing like finding a real day 2 car that was beat the snot out of and ruled the streets in your hometown...Hope im not pissing anyone off but thats how i feel.. </div></div> That's ridiculous Don. You're cutting down current generations and those yet to come who live and breath this stuff. The original day-2 cars are near impossible to find as is. Classifying good, honest cars turned into a "day-2" car today as clones because they were not such when new is asinine. I'm surprised more folk on this site who frequent this section of the forum are not offended. </div></div> A replica is still a replica Dan Try not to be offended. I stand by my opinion...You should concentrate on restoring your car instead of making it a day 2 car it never was anyway. youll like it better in the long run. |
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Dan...do what Don says then sell me those traction bars [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]
This is getting heavy...so next logical question based on the discussion above...if a person restores a car to stock specs but the car is missing original born-with parts, eg distributor, rims, carb, ect...but original GM date code correct parts are used in the restoration to return the car back to as-delivered...is the car then considered an "as-delivered" clone or "stock" replica... You guys crack me up...I say we drink about it! |
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I'll throw away all my cool NOS and vintage Day 2 parts that I have and have been saving all these years. No one wants to be called a clone day 2 and these parts are basically junk now.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hemicolt</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tommy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">to quote Billy Crystal in Throw Mamma From the Train "I have a enormous headache in my eye."
Real and fake day 2 cars???? Really ? Tommy [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img] </div></div> All are welcome to come over to the Unaffiliated side..lol </div></div> I'm with you.. My 66 Nova was a straight axle car built in the 70s. I kept it a straight axle because that's the way it was. Now it has many improvements that do not reflect the 70s (and people love to hang the "Gasser" label on it). It is what it is. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll throw away all my cool NOS and vintage Day 2 parts that I have and have been saving all these years. No one wants to be called a clone day 2 and these parts are basically junk now. </div></div>
Save your parts and join my club. There are now two members. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif[/img] |
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All barn find day 2 cars from this point forward must now be restored with firewall pounded in in around dizzy if car is found with an HEI. All fuses found wrapped in aluminum foil must be rewrapped in aluminum foil. Wires for stereo equipment or fuel pump that are pushed between fuse and fuse holder must be duplicated. Front bowl of holley carb must be beat to death with screwdriver or 9/16 open end wrench if found that way and sheet metal screw must still be installed to make secondaries mechanical. Bent extended shackles have to be reused along with one bent leaf spring and traction bars that are bent or have holes wallered out or have slight curb or road rash.... if factory paint runs and over spray are being duplicated than this new fangled category of the "hobby" must also be exact in all areas.... don't forget to duplicate all the holes in the floor that were drilled for a bench to bucket swap or the parts purchased that were made to fit but weren't ever for that car to begin with.... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]
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Just having fun with it, before anyone thinks I'm serious. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif[/img]
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tommy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All barn find day 2 cars from this point forward must now be restored with....
Tommy [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img] </div></div> You're forgetting the jagged-unevenly cut shifter tunnel, White paint underneath, and red/orange paint on the rear drums...... |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Born30YrsLate</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dan...do what Don says then sell me those traction bars [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]
This is getting heavy...so next logical question based on the discussion above...if a person restores a car to stock specs but the car is missing original born-with parts, eg distributor, rims, carb, ect...but original GM date code correct parts are used in the restoration to return the car back to as-delivered...is the car then considered an "as-delivered" clone or "stock" replica... You guys crack me up...I say we drink about it! </div></div>I would say you are just doing the best you can with what you got Fred! Like my Z, I do not think doing a car in Day-2 trim hurts anything if it is a non numbers car. Everybody likes your car the way it is Freddy! Go out and pound on it once and awhile. Does the heart good. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tommy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All barn find day 2 cars from this point forward must now be restored with firewall pounded in in around dizzy if car is found with an HEI. All fuses found wrapped in aluminum foil must be rewrapped in aluminum foil. Wires for stereo equipment or fuel pump that are pushed between fuse and fuse holder must be duplicated. Front bowl of holley carb must be beat to death with screwdriver or 9/16 open end wrench if found that way and sheet metal screw must still be installed to make secondaries mechanical. Bent extended shackles have to be reused along with one bent leaf spring and traction bars that are bent or have holes wallered out or have slight curb or road rash.... if factory paint runs and over spray are being duplicated than this new fangled category of the "hobby" must also be exact in all areas.... don't forget to duplicate all the holes in the floor that were drilled for a bench to bucket swap or the parts purchased that were made to fit but weren't ever for that car to begin with.... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]
Tommy [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img] </div></div> LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Dude, don't forget the zig zag papers, roach clips, and beer tabs.
Hope they don't start doin DNA tests on the "love stains" in the back seats. Could get ugly for some original owners. BTW Fred did have period correct zig zag papers in his glove box. We found a bunch in the H/O Nova that we reatored a few years ago, and since he had a date coded PBR case, he had to have the papers. That outta be an extra points thingy. (big smile) |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A replica is still a replica Dan Try not to be offended. I stand by my opinion...You should concentrate on restoring your car instead of making it a day 2 car it never was anyway. youll like it better in the long run. </div></div>
Why? For you to then tell me its just an average Z with a cookie cutter restoration? You're point conflicts itself in and out. I don't want to hear this romanticized recount of how things were in the past. It is now 2013. I own a completely documented 1969 Z28 with all born with original components. I have modified as I would have in 1969 using period correct parts bought from your e-buddies. I chuckle at your ignorance in calling my car a replica, clone, copy, or any other synonym indicating reproduction. Still offended. I still think you're full of... |
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Now, now Dan......these are just opinions and nothing personal to anyone. When I think of Day-2 there are 2 people that come to my mind rite of way....... Don White and the other is Day-2 Dave Miller. Both have collected many parts and lived it. There are many of us older guys out there that do this and have done this but these two come to lite quickly for "me". We all can do what we want to our cars and really none of it is wrong. Maybe we should shift the Day-2 discussion to a Survivor discussion and what we think that means. Schonye, that was a great addition. No repop stuff in that description.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div> Go out and pound on it once and awhile. Does the heart good. [/quote]
I tried Sammy...these solid lifter big block cars run like crap in Wiscy winter...no traction in the snow either...geez, no wonder nobody wanted these cars... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] |
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So in 2013, the politically correct term for a 69 chevelle restored and in day-2 trim should now be called "Day-16,061"
(44 yrs. times 365 days + 1 = 16,061) |
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The vast majority of the cars modified as "day-2" did not happen on the very second day of ownership. The transformation happened over time and evolved with changing tastes.
I guess all of these cars are day-2 clones now... LOL |
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well, I know mine is Dan. The point is the original Day-2 cars like I mentioned earlier and there are more of them out there, should demand more respect "in my opinion" then the ones done now with the correct parts. Jim you are right Day-16,000 for my 69 Z/28. HA!
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I'm only using "day2" as an additional selling word or phrase on Ebay and other interweb spots from now on.... My Nova is a "Hotrod" anyway. it was a hotrod when I found it and it's a hotrod today. The only people that don't ask me what day 2 means are on about 3 forums so it really doesn't matter. the speed parts I have on my car usually get 2 responses. The older gear heads say something like "thats the stuff we ran when I was your age" and the younger guys usually say "whats that thing" or "you would be a lot better off with caltracs dude" ... They all look at me like I stepped off a space ship if I tell them I have to set more than one set of points....
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It's kinda crazy weeding through what is and isn't a legit day 2 car. When the term was first introduced to me, I thought I knew what it was. I then listened to others and realized they had a different interpretation than mine.
I don't think we'll all agree, but I'm not offended by differences in opinion here. I don't know thr previous owners or history of my 65. I've owned it since about 1991. I don't consider it a real day 2 car. I added the crossram and vertigate shifter when I was 17 and it wasn't to fit some category or to make people like my car more. The only way it could be a day 2 car was if previous owners had modified it early on in life- like 3 years max. That is my definition. If old history on my car ever becomes available maybe I'll change my mind. I've got the benefit of perspective from my dad's 67 Nova. It had 302 and 427 motor swaps, a name written on the car by a local artist and influenced many people on early aftermarket style...all by 1969. I'll walk a local car show, and people remember the car. Some from the 60's, some recall it a bit later when it began a sleeper theme, but it left an impression with many locals. If you don't have that, you might not have a real day 2 car. I do enjoy these day 2 themed builds. Without a historical connection to a previous aftermarket equipment configuration, a current day 2 build is only a theme. I would like to understand those who feel differently. Without using analogies, does anyone care to share? |
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Is this car "Day 2" or a "Day 2 clone"? The previous owner put on Lakewood traction bars but painted them black, Cobra valve covers and intake manifold, 700 double pumper, tri y headers, turbo mufflers, a big solid cam, Shelby gauges under the dash, and Cragar GT wheels. This was in 1979. The only thing I did was put the stock wheels back on so I could restore the Cragar wheels. Is this a clone since it took 12 years from when it was new to put these parts on?
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