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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the427king</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What you are missing is that when you buy a car where the proceeds are going to charity, you cannot write off the donation in full because you are receiving an asset for the price you paid&quot;,its not a true &quot;donation&quot; due to that. If you overpay for a car thats being auctioned off ,you may be able to write off the amount you paid over the market value of the car. </div></div>

So who is the big tax winner then, the seller?

Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody know what happened with the red '70 LS6 Chevelle convertible @ $150k????? </div></div>


http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Ev...VERTIBLE-178472

&quot;Certified by Jerry MacNeish&quot;

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B-J Az.
...where bidders stumble out of bed the next morning &amp; say,&quot;oh thats what I bought last night.&quot; [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/crazy.gif[/img]

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i wonder how many spectators were there to see how their old car did in the auction? I know a B J auction was on my bucket list, and i wanted to &quot;check up&quot; on my old Camaro. It didn't make Pratt alot of money................and now that it's been &quot;outed&quot; as a re-body, (finally), it's just a VERY NICE driver, IMO.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: miket1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=bergy]Anybody know what happened with the red '70 LS6 Chevelle convertible @ $150k?????

I saw that too but don't know the story on it. </div></div>Was ''well bought''at $150K!LS6 red rag top with an M22 and J.Macneish certified.Bet the seller was expecting more!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">B-J Az.
...where bidders stumble out of bed the next morning &amp; say,&quot;oh thats what I bought last night.&quot; [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/crazy.gif[/img] </div></div>

If I had &quot;I-don't-care&quot; amounts of money I could be that guy. &quot;Oh, I bought a fake Hemi-car? Guess I'll drive the hell out of it then.&quot;

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J.Macneish is certifying 70 Chevelle's now, does he really know these cars like he knows Camaro's?
I doubt it.

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I wondered what would happen with that old green Z/28 Pratt bought from a few years ago at a BJ auction. (The big VIN tag swap debacle)?

VIN 124379N509335 that turned out to be a vin swapped car after someone found the ad selling the vin and firewall tags and the VIN seller openly discussed it on Team Camaro?

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...89&amp;page=11

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WOW, I guess they listed it properly as a rebody at Pratt's BJ auction. That is crazy money for any 1969 Z/28 let alone a rebodied one! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/shocked.gif[/img]

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archi...ale2015-178570

And here is when it sold in 2008 at BJ Las Vegas. Note the difference in the description between then and now. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img]

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Event...28-COUPE-66024

2008 description: &quot;Car has been documented and certified by Jerry MacNeish. Car was restored with all GM sheet metal, bumpers and tons of NOS GM parts.&quot;

2015 description: &quot;Documentation has been certified by Jerry MacNeish. Car was re-bodied and restored with all GM sheet metal, bumpers and tons of NOS GM parts.&quot;

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">J.Macneish is certifying 70 Chevelle's now, does he really know these cars like he knows Camaro's?
I doubt it. </div></div>

I wonder if in his certification report he mentioned the cheezy Chinese brake booster [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/no.gif[/img] really, on a LS6 [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]

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Does anyone know if that LS6 Chevelle convert. is legit ? Where is Chris White when we need him.

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It sold at 2013 bj for 148500 w the buyer fee so id say its a clone or at most a real car with no proof

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: classicgary</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i wonder how many spectators were there to see how their old car did in the auction? I know a B J auction was on my bucket list, and i wanted to &quot;check up&quot; on my old Camaro. It didn't make Pratt alot of money................and now that it's been &quot;outed&quot; as a re-body, (finally), it's just a VERY NICE driver, IMO. </div></div>

Didn't you mean.. 'your old VIN, cowl plate, and paperwork'??? Nothing else from your 'old car' is there anymore is there?? It's a 'rebodied' car, with 'restoration drivetrain'... whatever the h*ll that is....

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HO455</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know what happened to this 1971 Olds 442 …it seems to have disappeared from the auction. This was the nicest Olds in the auction in my opinion. It was restored by Troy Thornton but it appears he pulled it from the auction. Maybe he sold it before it was set to be auctioned?
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Event...ERTIBLE-181077

I loved the 1969 Trans Am Prototype – I saw it at the Muscle Car Nationals and it was incredible. It should have pulled a lot more. But many of these rich guys it seems only care about the convertibles.
</div></div>

Seller got cold feet backed out of the sale. What is a car like it worth?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HO455</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know what happened to this 1971 Olds 442 …it seems to have disappeared from the auction. This was the nicest Olds in the auction in my opinion. It was restored by Troy Thornton but it appears he pulled it from the auction. Maybe he sold it before it was set to be auctioned?
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Event...ERTIBLE-181077 </div></div>

I know there were paperwork issues with a red W30 vert they did in 2013 - doctored docs if you will (not Thornton's fault) - same thing? Or maybe it just sold on the floor before the stage? Is that possible at BJ? Anyways there was much commentary in 2013 in a BJ thread here on the docs for the 357k(!!) W30 red vert but, lo and behold, all negative commentary has since been stripped from the thread...sometimes this site is funny like that - certain cars are &quot;protected&quot;. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img] </div></div>

It is not that car for sure.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HO455</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know what happened to this 1971 Olds 442 …it seems to have disappeared from the auction. This was the nicest Olds in the auction in my opinion. It was restored by Troy Thornton but it appears he pulled it from the auction. Maybe he sold it before it was set to be auctioned?
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Event...ERTIBLE-181077 </div></div>

I know there were paperwork issues with a red W30 vert they did in 2013 - doctored docs if you will (not Thornton's fault) - same thing? Or maybe it just sold on the floor before the stage? Is that possible at BJ? Anyways there was much commentary in 2013 in a BJ thread here on the docs for the 357k(!!) W30 red vert but, lo and behold, all negative commentary has since been stripped from the thread...sometimes this site is funny like that - certain cars are &quot;protected&quot;. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img] </div></div>

Tracker1...I'm trying to get a handle on you accusing us of deleting info on the bogus W30 and us protecting certain cars ....If anything got deleted on the W30 it was probably deleted because it was some kind of non factual bashing. Does anyone else remember any of this ? And I would also like to know about the certain cars that are &quot;protected&quot;. I work my ass off trying to keep this a site people can rely on and would like to think that we don't do what you are accusing us of. Please elaborate.

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This thread:

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...opics/513814/2

On page 2, I commented about how 357K was nuts for the red W30 convertible that went through BJ in 2013 (my comment is still there). I distinctly remember and will swear on my son's life that a couple of well-known &quot;muscle car retailers&quot; on this site came back very quickly in that thread to say that no, this was an accurate price for such a car, with a tone insinuating I didn't know what I was talking about (often true, but not in this instance). Then it blew up because someone else pointed out that the car had been found to have &quot;questionable docs&quot; as in aged and/or manipulated and/or outright falsified. Several people commented on it...but not me (I don't do tol-ya-so's) or the two respected sellers of muscle cars. All of this IS GONE from this thread. And I tell ya, IT WAS THERE in 2013. My comment about &quot;protected&quot; wasn't aimed at the administration of the site - that would be conspiracy theory and I don't do those either - it was aimed at those who want certain cars to maintain values and will protect the value of those cars if they happen to be in their inventory. At least that is what it felt like to me in 2013 on this particular thread.

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Charley, very sorry, mea culpa. I posted the wrong thread and upon further research have found the thread where I also commented on the same W30 convertible....and the comments from the retailers are still there. My bad. I told you there were times I don't know what I'm talking about. I will take my turn behind the woodshed. Apologies to all.

Re: Barrett Jackson is on fire
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This thread:

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...opics/513814/2

On page 2, I commented about how 357K was nuts for the red W30 convertible that went through BJ in 2013 (my comment is still there). I distinctly remember and will swear on my son's life that a couple of well-known &quot;muscle car retailers&quot; on this site came back very quickly in that thread to say that no, this was an accurate price for such a car</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Charley, very sorry, mea culpa. I posted the wrong thread and upon further research have found the thread where I also commented on the same W30 convertible....and the comments from the retailers are still there. My bad. I told you there were times I don't know what I'm talking about. I will take my turn behind the woodshed. Apologies to all. </div></div>

But, You swore on your son's life.

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We all make mistakes [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Dan

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X2.

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I try to get all my really heinous mistakes in before coffee break in the morning!!

Forgive, forget, move on!

Ryan

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Thankyou. At least we got it straightened out.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I try to get all my really heinous mistakes in before coffee break in the morning!!

Forgive, forget, move on!

Ryan </div></div>

Is that before or after Facebook [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img]

Dan

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During!!

Ryan

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I work my ass off trying to keep this a site people can rely on </div></div>

Thanks Charley, it shows. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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Ditto.

Very few places you can get accurate info anymore. Most places have an agenda. Of course, so does SYC, but that agenda appears to be aimed squarely at protecting the integrity of the hobby as well as preserving history.

Re: Barrett Jackson is on fire
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GaryW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: classicgary</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i wonder how many spectators were there to see how their old car did in the auction? I know a B J auction was on my bucket list, and i wanted to &quot;check up&quot; on my old Camaro. It didn't make Pratt alot of money................and now that it's been &quot;outed&quot; as a re-body, (finally), it's just a VERY NICE driver, IMO. </div></div>

Didn't you mean.. 'your old VIN, cowl plate, and paperwork'??? Nothing else from your 'old car' is there anymore is there?? It's a 'rebodied' car, with 'restoration drivetrain'... whatever the h*ll that is.... </div></div>

yup, that's what I mean. ain't it about time it was &quot;outed&quot; as a rebody......

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Every car so far on a Tuesday is over 200-300 THOUSAND.
WHERE'S ALL THE MONEY COMING FROM? </div></div>

Low interest rates = cheap money. Stock market booming. Aging baby-boomers cashing-in and buying toys. Top 5-10% of the country is doing great. Guys with money buying cars to stash away as diversified investments that they can enjoy. (&quot;You can't drive your money.&quot;)

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Might be interesting to see as baby-boomers die off (no offense, I am one of them) and cars start coming back to auction, who will be there with the money to buy them and for what price? Boomers fueled not just the U.S. economy for their whole lives but lifted the global economy too. The following demographics are not as large and do not have as much money spread across the demographic. Will the top 10% of post-boomer generations still pay boomer money for cars--cars they themselves did not grow up with and therefore do not have youthful nostalgia for? (I've bought stuff from the old days, including cars, because these things made me feel younger--relive the good old days.) You can be sure the speculators are very busy speculating. (As I just did.)

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Let's not forget that the red W-30 convertible previously &quot;sold&quot; at BJ for 357k was not sold and restored by TROY Thorton, it was sold/restored by his brother, who runs a totally separate restoration business, which also happens to be in PA. Just sayin...

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: classicgary</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GaryW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: classicgary</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i wonder how many spectators were there to see how their old car did in the auction? I know a B J auction was on my bucket list, and i wanted to &quot;check up&quot; on my old Camaro. It didn't make Pratt alot of money................and now that it's been &quot;outed&quot; as a re-body, (finally), it's just a VERY NICE driver, IMO. </div></div>

Didn't you mean.. 'your old VIN, cowl plate, and paperwork'??? Nothing else from your 'old car' is there anymore is there?? It's a 'rebodied' car, with 'restoration drivetrain'... whatever the h*ll that is.... </div></div>

yup, that's what I mean. ain't it about time it was &quot;outed&quot; as a rebody......
</div></div>

Is this the green 69 Z/28 I spoke of earlier in the thread?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427TJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Might be interesting to see as baby-boomers die off (no offense, I am one of them) and cars start coming back to auction, who will be there with the money to buy them and for what price? Boomers fueled not just the U.S. economy for their whole lives but lifted the global economy too. The following demographics are not as large and do not have as much money spread across the demographic. Will the top 10% of post-boomer generations still pay boomer money for cars--cars they themselves did not grow up with and therefore do not have youthful nostalgia for? (I've bought stuff from the old days, including cars, because these things made me feel younger--relive the good old days.) You can be sure the speculators are very busy speculating. (As I just did.) </div></div>

60's musclecars will never go begging for an owner, but as time goes on they will increasingly share the spotlight with later model stuff, the same way Deusenbergs and Pierce-Arrows currently share it with 70 Cuda's and 69 Chevelle's. Can't stay young forever.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bashton</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let's not forget that the red W-30 convertible previously &quot;sold&quot; at BJ for 357k was not sold and restored by TROY Thorton, it was sold/restored by his brother, who runs a totally separate restoration business, which also happens to be in PA. Just sayin...

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

</div></div>

Bob you are so right… Troy is truly a genuine &amp; good guy who does absolutely beautiful restorations. He is willing to help anyone trying to restore Oldsmobiles' regardless of who they are. He helped me with numerous questions, leads, parts etc... and did not receive anything back in return. He just loves these cars and enjoys helping the Olds community. He and his brother Jeff have totally different restoration shops and are completely separate entities. Thanks so much Bob for posting the clarification. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

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Don't forget, it is an international market today. I am reminded of this when I received a call from a young man from Mongolia wanting a 65 Mustang. Google the weather and the road situation there. More cart trails then roads. I sometimes forget the allure these cars have to people around the globe now. China is coming on board also. Without the foreign market the last 5 or 6 years would have been a lot tougher for the vendors, shippers, dealers etc...
I hate seeing some of the cars go, but when the car is for sale and they have the money, whatta ya gonna do.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427freak</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't forget, it is an international market today. I am reminded of this when I received a call from a young man from Mongolia wanting a 65 Mustang. Google the weather and the road situation there. More cart trails then roads. I sometimes forget the allure these cars have to people around the globe now. China is coming on board also. Without the foreign market the last 5 or 6 years would have been a lot tougher for the vendors, shippers, dealers etc...
I hate seeing some of the cars go, but when the car is for sale and they have the money, whatta ya gonna do. </div></div>
Agreed, their is more wealth being created across the globe and only a limited amount of great cars.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This thread:

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...opics/513814/2

On page 2, I commented about how 357K was nuts for the red W30 convertible that went through BJ in 2013 (my comment is still there). I distinctly remember and will swear on my son's life that a couple of well-known &quot;muscle car retailers&quot; on this site came back very quickly in that thread to say that no, this was an accurate price for such a car, with a tone insinuating I didn't know what I was talking about (often true, but not in this instance). Then it blew up because someone else pointed out that the car had been found to have &quot;questionable docs&quot; as in aged and/or manipulated and/or outright falsified. Several people commented on it...but not me (I don't do tol-ya-so's) or the two respected sellers of muscle cars. All of this IS GONE from this thread. And I tell ya, IT WAS THERE in 2013. My comment about &quot;protected&quot; wasn't aimed at the administration of the site - that would be conspiracy theory and I don't do those either - it was aimed at those who want certain cars to maintain values and will protect the value of those cars if they happen to be in their inventory. At least that is what it felt like to me in 2013 on this particular thread. </div></div>

Des,

Conspiracy theories aside and in regards to the Red Barrett Jackson W-30. Your statements and opinions are just not completely accurate. The collector who was seeking a best of the best, 4 speed convertible knew what he was after. He obviously wanted the car more than the money. The fact that the paperwork Thornton had come up with, was fraudulent......well that is another matter and I would surmise, one of the reasons that the deal was backed up. The car was resold with no documentation at the next BJ auction for $250k. This to me is more surprising than the initial sale when the paperwork was believed to be authentic. The high bidder in-turn went out and purchased a bullet proof convertible and had it restored/cleaned up to his standards. While I was not involved with the sale/purchase, communicating with the buyer and seller leads me to be very confident that he has more invested than you may approve.

As someone who follows W-30s to a degree and who has had direct involvement with them, I can let you know that there was a recent offer tendered to purchase one of the known and documented W-30 4 speeds for much more than the BJ car, but the owner decided not to sell it and another great W-30 4 speed rag top recently traded hands in the value range of the BJ W-30.

With only 96 ever produced and approx 25 considered to be real and even fewer with original drivetrains, its not difficult to understand why a collector may decide to pay such a price. I don't make the market, but am familiar with it.