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Re: 1969 Yenko Nova
 

Well..........The Plot thicken's........Seems like somebody's nose is gonna grow.........and somebody's Credibility is going to be "Tested"....... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif (Still Eating PopCorn).....

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Boy you're not kidding, pass the popcorn...

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I would like to know how many cars Ed has certified I would think over 300. I know there might be some questionable cars but Ed usually only verifies vin numbers. If you wanted a complete COPO inspection he verified the vin, parts and certain main features of the car.
I remember when Vince Emmy was the guy to call about Yenkos some how it shifted to Ed. Ed probably did a better marketing job.
If you read that COPO certificate on the red Yenko Nova it makes it sound like all 37 Novas were converted. Is it possible Ed really didnt know about non converted cars I know one thing the guy that really would have known was Vince but Ed and him I believe were not on speaking terms.
If a car was bought with a COPO cert. how long is it good for as time passes more info comes out, since the net there has been quite a few updates to theese cars. Maybe theese certificates should have been updated or checked out before buying them. Im not saying Ed never did anyting wrong I really do not know if he did or not but there is always two sides to look at.

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If a car was bought with a COPO cert. how long is it good for as time passes more info comes out

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Guess that answer is on Eds main page on his site. Seems like <font color="black"> ALL </font> COPO.com issued certs are no longer valid

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<font color="blue"> NOTE ON PAST VERIFICATIONS

The COPO Connection officially ended its Registry and COPO Verification process as of April 7, 2006. All outstanding certificates and informational letters issued were terminated at that time and should not be used as a basis for verifying any vehicle as a COPO.

Also, due to time constraints, we will no longer accept requests to research information on a particular vehicle.

We would like to thank you for your past patronage.



NEW EMAIL ADDRESS:

mail(removemefirst)@copo.com
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Shortly before this thread started I was speaking with an aquaintance concerning Ed Cunneen and the reason he stop certifying cars. The aquaintance told me Ed had been sued over a red 69 Yenko that was sold and had been certified by Ed. The new owner had sued Ed thus causing him to stop doing Certifications in the future.

Does any one know of this story and is this true?

I'm reluctant to post this story but believe that when people's reputations are involved the worst thing is for rumor and gossip to lie in the dark. The truth can stand in the light!

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Unless expressed as otherwise in the document itself, I'd consider Ed's paperwork such as shown above as being very similar to GM Canada's vintage service paperwork where they're noting what equipment was considered shipped w/ a specific serial number and any other known facts about the vehicle when new...nothing about history from then on or anything concerning the current status or condition. .

~ Pete

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SSL78..John I think the point of this thread is to show the other site Global Gurus that the red car in question that was restored by SCW was not fabricated by the big bad SYC Members as they seem to be dreaming...the person who bought the car and the people who restored it assumed it was what it was according to paperwork with the car. Now this info comes out from original owners and no one is discounting it. I don't think anyone is trying to throw anyone under the bus like Mr Lapoota apparently did with half the banner holders. I'm sure the owner of this car will do whatever is right.

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I'm curious; what is this "other site" that keeps being referred to?

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http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a297/BCAM302/cat.jpg

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Is your cat an unemployed welder ?

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It's not about this site or that site or any other site. It's about cars being misrepresented, restamped, rebodied and embellished. All of these situations are bad for the hobby and I hope we can find a way to truly identify the cars for what they really are. Don't let $$$ and egos destroy the hobby! There are no sides to take in this guys, this is becoming way too big of a problem in the musclecar world! Let's find a way to identify the problem cars and I hope everyone agrees.

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Amen Jeff.

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Did one the banner holders try and sell a 1969 COPO Chevelle on this site a while ago that had issues similar to the silver Deuce?

(If I am wrong, moderators please remove post)

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Mike,
Same owner/restorer on the Silver Deuce and the Copo Chevelle. I had the opportunity to see the Deuce in its "original" state and the low mile 307 Nova that was used for "parts" during the Deuce restoration. Lets just be honest and label cars accordingly. It looks like there is a real need to register the rare cars in general. When a buyer gets burned on a misrepresented car it hurts the hobby. It puts many of the restored cars in question. Whats real anymore for a prospective buyer? Hard to tell anymore for most people.
Mark

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I spoke w/the Seller of the COPO Chevelle and he was very upfront about the restoration process employed on the car. I chose not to purchase it, but there was absolutely no attempt to deceive me.

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COPO,,, What color was that COPO Chevelle???.....Bill S

-----And what trans did it have???

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Was it the orange one? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/stupid.gif

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Copo,
Unfortunately the ultimate buyer for the Black/Auto Copo Chevelle did not receive the same disclosure. That is why he told me the car went back to the seller.

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Mark, I believe that info was disclosed to the buyer I believe there was other issues for the car to be returned.

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John,
The buyer told me he didn't know until he saw a/c components on the firewall. Although he had been told by others their may have been issues with the car, he said he believed what the seller told him. Who do you believe anymore???
Mark

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Well what a day. Me and my father went over to Brian's shop today and seen the car in person. All I can say what an awesome car.

It is a shame on what has happened with this car though. Someone was made aware of what this car was 4 years ago when they contacted us about the car and it seems whoever that was didn;t release the information that my father had given to future buyers. When the call came in back then a employee of ours answered the phone, and told my father someone is on the phone about a Yenko nova. I am going to contact him and sees what he remembers anything about the call. What is known that whoever call said they were someone who tracks down these sorts of cars and the car was being restored. After finding out that is was not a 427 asked if we were interested in buying the car back.

And the car has just kept being handed down as a conversion 427 car. Brian even should us paper work from Ed verifying the car was a 427. I would like to see where that kind of information could have come from.

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Also forgot to mention Brian has been talking to the current owner about removing the stripes and making a few other small changes on the car to make it just as it was when my father picked it out of Yenkos lot 37 years ago. I'd personally like to see it the way it was in that picture I posted. With the black steel wheel and slicks https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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.......... I'd personally like to see it the way it was in that picture I posted. With the black steel wheel and slicks https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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Now that would be cool.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Thanks for taking the time to help sort things out. I bet it was neat seeing the car again after all these years.

Now if we can only determine who was told the car was not a 427 "4 years ago". https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif


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What is known that whoever call said they were someone who tracks down these sorts of cars and the car was being restored. After finding out that is was not a 427 asked if we were interested in buying the car back.


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That was some pretty critical information 4 years ago and it should have been disclosed immediately IMO. That sucks.

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smacks of a hush job...

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Kind of makes one wonder who did know, and why the information was not made public back then. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Well I remember Warren saying he sold the paper work around that time that we were contacted. So it only makes sense that the people had that paper work from Warren in hand to find us. I have not seen any other information linking the car back to us other than that.

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Well I remember Warren saying he sold the paper work around that time that we were contacted. So it only makes sense that the people had that paper work from Warren in hand to find us. I have not seen any other information linking the car back to us other than that.

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So around four years ago, someone bought the paperwork from Warren,(which one would assume would be the owner at the time), tracked your family down, was told the car was originally a 396, but never disclosed that information. Hum...

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I'm not really sure if it was the owner that called. But a guy saying he was sort of a car detective and was working for the owner, something along those lines. Also not sure of the exact date of the call and I didn;t ask Warren if he knew the exact date of selling the paper work. But I'm sure warren knows because how he likes paperwork.

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Kind of makes one wonder who did know, and why the information was not made public back then. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Greed $$$$ https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

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Most likely $$$$ there were $$$$ several people $$$$ that knew $$$$.

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Well I remember Warren saying he sold the paper work around that time that we were contacted. So it only makes sense that the people had that paper work from Warren in hand to find us. I have not seen any other information linking the car back to us other than that.

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So around four years ago, someone bought the paperwork from Warren,(which one would assume would be the owner at the time), tracked your family down, was told the car was originally a 396, but never disclosed that information. Hum...

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Who owned the car four years ago?

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Shortly before this thread started I was speaking with an aquaintance concerning Ed Cunneen and the reason he stop certifying cars. The aquaintance told me Ed had been sued over a red 69 Yenko that was sold and had been certified by Ed. The new owner had sued Ed thus causing him to stop doing Certifications in the future.

Does any one know of this story and is this true?

I'm reluctant to post this story but believe that when people's reputations are involved the worst thing is for rumor and gossip to lie in the dark. The truth can stand in the light!

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This is true. However, your reference to a 'red yenko' pertains to a '69 lemans blue Yenko Camaro that was painted red, and had houndstooth interior, etc.... This situation is completely different and independant of this Nova situation. We can discuss the 'red' Y-Camaro subject in a different thread if you like, so as not to divert the attention from the original topic.

MikeA;

The '69 Yenko Nova was last owned in PA by a Mr. Angeletti who sold it to Mitch Moore and Mick Price.

Dyer bought the car from Price/Moore.
Holub bought the car from Dyer, and had it cert'd by Ed.
Hand bought the car from Holub.
Ockerland bought the car from Hand.
Ohler bought the car from Ockerland.
Ohler sold the car to the current owner.


The silver deuce pics are out! I've taken a lot of heat over the years bec/ of that car, what a vindication when I saw those pics a while back. The real silver deuce body was not too bad, much better than several resto candidates. It was a simple decision to go the cheap way out, and use the '70 Forest Green 307, a/t car as a body donor. We can start a different thread for this topic too, but suffice to say that most people should be noticing a pattern when certain people/groups are involved - just take a look at the 'banner boyz'.

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so with all this selling of a 69 yenko "427" nova, what is the cost with this being so few . last discission I heard was 1 mill just to start talking. so whats it going for the last time. ?????

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Ok, been sitting back just reading all of this in amazment or should I say disgust... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif I'm curious about this recent resto by BH, heard from reliable sources we're talking BIG bucks was spent.. Him being a Yenko expert it's hard to beleive he was clue less as to what this car was orig. Just an opinion of course..

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Huh? How can you fault BH? We're talking about a non-original engine car that had already seen a semi-restoration! Plus, this car came with *literally* a notebook of stuff calling it a 427 car...it had a certificate from Ed, and *at least* one independant appraiser was hired, who talked to Emme, on behalf of the buyer...all before the car was purchased/restored. You can't fault them for not having been lucky enough to track down a relative of the original owner...someone, or more likely "2 someones", found out what this car was a couple of owners ago, but kept it to themselves until they could wash their hands of it...now THAT is disgusting. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

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Perry in 1969 the Yenko novas were L78 cars converted to L72's. There are no COPO components that would identify the car as such eg: rear, suspension, radiator speedometer. In addition this car had been restored and badged as a 427 car for many years, several times. In addition it was certified as stated above. This cars true pedigree has been hidden by at least one of the past owners and the "Expert Locator/Researcher" who called the original owner four years ago.

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How would you know what it was? With a certificate and paperwork from Yenko.....What is it? Apparently someone did know about 4 years ago....Who was deceptive? You do the best you can until new info comes forward...Is the exact history known on every car? Certainly not.....New information can be found everyday .....There are puzzle pieces all over the place.Different people hold most of the info......until it all comes together the truth may never be known on all the converted or unconverted supercars.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif


Steve

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Perry, I think BH was asked to restore the car. Not check the history.