Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Sounds Like a big BUNCH OF BS to me! And if I was the owner of car ZL1 #66 I am certain my attorney would be involved as to your comments about the Car ZL1 #66!Voodo has not yet stated that he feels he is the LEGAL OWNER of the car,or if he has I missed it! All he has said is he was the owner at one time and as he was the owner the car was crushed or 5% chance a employee missplaced it! Well 5% is enough for the car to still be around and by saying the car that is ZL1#66 is a FAKE is very LIABLE on his part.All he has shown so far to me is that a car with the same vin# was registtered in CT that in one particular year! and that he has a big block chevy aluminum engine that may or not be from car ZL1 #66.According to some of the pictures the engine may or may not be originl to the car we are certainly unable to tell from your pictures! I would want evidence from an EXPERT to determine that based on things that happen in todays world!Mr Voodo can you elaborate as to the time frame or years you owned the car!The year the car supposedly was crushed! Don't you have to file papers with the State when a car is crushed! I know you do in Texas!There is more to this than is being told and I admit I am curious to find out the True story from all Parties involved!Although in this day and time a person really should be careful calling a car of this caliber a FRAUD! It could come back to BITE you in the ASS like a MAD PIT BULL! so if you care to elaborate continue If you have nothing else to say then tell us that also!You have just proved so far you know how to ruffle a few feathers opening a thread like this.I am like Belaire!I to will wait and see what takes place.Personally I don't think you are going to be saying a whole lot more! Just my opinion and most of the time I am wrong but we will see! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Vodoo is a member here on this site, and has an ebay auction running, so it shouldnt be too difficult to contact and ask him to show back up to state what he has to say.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

guess I am slow at times, did someone post this yet??

1- how was car #66 being represented in the running gear dept as numbers or not??? last year, simple question . either the car is numbers or it is not, pretty simple, EH??? so where is the add??? or know for sure whats in the car CE date coded etc...???

2- vodoo has crap pics of his stuff, but it sure looks like a vin on the side of a block, and it sure looks like a correct stamped BE rear, is the date right?? who knows but the BE and numbers looks right even in the crap pics.

did I miss a page on the old add???

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

The #66 car has "allegedly" (I dont know the facts, just from what I've read/heard) been represented as a #s car. Of course "#s" has a different meaning these days.

I dont know which side of the story is true, but it is an unresolved issue in which both sides should represent in full disclosure.

We'll have to wait and see...

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

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...I know nothing about the 66 car...

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Exactly... I find it HIGHLY unusual that no one here seems to "know anything about the #66 car" that they are willing to post.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Until somebody calls somebody else a fat pig face, I'm out of this one!

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Hello everyone. I just wanted to put my 2 cents in on this thread. I find it very coincidental that the owner of the so called "original drivetrain" for car #66 put his auction for all to view almost exactly a month before the Scottsdale auction. We all know the value of these rare pieces and this may all be an elaborate plan to discredit a true classic or get a huge chunk of money. As many of you have asked, "why has Bill not contacted either the owner of #66 or the authorities"?? Also, why did he list it on ebay of all places?? I personally believe it was for maximum exposure and he sure has achieved that.

If the car was destroyed then the state has to be notified and the title would reflect that PERIOD. Even though Bill says he tossed the car around like a piece of junk, even back in the 90's these cars had real value. If it was stollen, why was it not reported??

I don't know what to make of any of this, but if Bill truely has the original stuff, it needs to be reunited with the car. I do not believe that the whole story will ever be known. If I had car #66 then I would be at this guys front door right now. There's just too many scenarios and we all may be the fools. Without any more replies by voodoo, we're all just guessing.

I am a business owner and restorer of these fine Camaros for almost 20 yrs and have watched this hobby grow to the mega business that it has become. I frightens me too see a current trend of fakes, swapped tags, and restampings all for money. They are becoming rampit and as enthusiasts we need to secure the future of these classics. We need to keep this thread going and get to the bottom of this (if possible)as the implications are huge.

Thanks for listening to my 2 cents.

Nick @ M.W.C.C.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Well,

I do have to admit that I am a little confused over why
VoDoo responded early in this dabate, then went AWOL.

I do believe that it is put-up or shut-up time. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

Where is VoDoo? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif
Where is the current owner of ZL-1 #66 ? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif
Anybody close in Waterburt, CT that can see these parts personally? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif
Does anyone here know if ZL-1 #66 is a "numbers matching" car? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

Steve

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

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Where is VoDoo?

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Probably sitting at his computer reading all this and laughing his a$$ off.

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Where is the current owner of ZL-1 #66 ?

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Probably sitting in his lawyers office NOT laughing one bit!

This guy's (vodoo) last post was 2 days ago. Obviously it was meant to ruffle feathers. Time to let it go.

Rick H.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

This hobby is beginning to suck. Maybe it is just in this end of it. I don't know...... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

My notes from Dec. 1997 indicate #66 was owned by "BAR-JACKSON" at the time, which I must assume is Barrett Jackson.

I am making no accusations. Just trying to figure this out along with most of you guys. Bill's auction states;
"I have owned this car since the 80's, It was registered,insured, and taxed till 99."

That sure SEEMS to be at odds with my notes. Of course, if the car was in a pile somewhere, or thought to be in a pile, it could be possible. But why would you keep registering and INSURING a car that was in a pile? Again, not making accusations, just asking legitimate questions. I would like to see a clear pic of the VIN derivitive stamping on the side of the block. The one in the auction is pretty bad.

I don't know Bill and I don't know the current owner. If Bill does indeed have a river card to play, sure seems this would be the right time to play it.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

I'm beginning to smell a rat.

This is completely hearsay at this point, but "someone" just told me that the rear in the ebay auction was "found" in a newly purchased Nova a month ago.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

I found a post in the archives from someone who saw the cars at a show in pheonix several years ago, a silver ZL1, #66. The owners name is there, and at least at that time, was NOT Pat McGrober.

The curiosity is killing me, I may have to pm Charley, he knows all.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

This auction for me has some questions.

1. This is a horrible time of year to auction off big money items. Many people are traveling, taking time off work to be with family and just not paying a lot of attention to something like e-Bay.

2. Why put the dollars in e-Bay's pocket when it is such a tough time of year to sell????

Other things that bother me...

If I owned a ZL1 which, with it original numbers matching rear end, transmission and engine would be an ungodly amount......wouldn't you keep track of the car? A true muscle car collector would have this car no matter what condition under lock and key and all paperwork in a fireproof place.

If the car was long off the road.....why continue to register and insure the vehicle????

If crushed why are the records not available??? Surely the state of Connecticut has salvage yard laws. I know in the state of Illinois they are very strict.

Why are so many of pictures so poor???? For the amount of money that one is expecting from this auction, you would expect the photos to be crisp, clear and well lit. These on this auction are not.

If this person - voodoo (Bill) - did show up with title in hand a few years ago to lay claim to the car #66 what was the legal out come? From what others have written on this thread, law enforcement was involved. Voodoo never did say what the outcome was of that incident. We only know that he said he was not arrested.

If voodoo knows about the car being represented as the true #66, why has he not started legal procedings??? I would believe that there are many attorneys that would gladly take a 1/3 of the value of a numbers matching ZL1.

There is a whole lot of story that is in the dark on this car, engine, etc. I for one would surely not want to be in the center of this storm. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Ok, Here I am again, Yes its been 2 days, My phone # has not changed its still 1-203-754-5000. I have not yet to here from anyone. All I keep doing is giving more infromation out. Well its time for me to shut up. Why because some of the members on this site are trying to make this situation one sided. Until I or we hear from the other party I will not post anything else. I still have the special front bumper for car#66. Does anyone on this site know where car #60 is, I owned this car. I bought this car for $500 and sold it for $1500. I can help the person who owns this car now. I still know the original owner and other history of that car.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

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Ok, Here I am again, Yes its been 2 days........... All I keep doing is giving more infromation out. Well its time for me to shut up.

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sorry, I missed it...how about a link to your "info" that you "keep giving out" does it address any of the questions posted here? It seems that many like minded auto enthusiasts are willing to help straighten out any confusion and assist you in tracking down what may be yours but you have refused to cooperate after making vague statements accompanied by blurry photos. Whats up with that?
It's borderline childish and at the least, evasive and unsportsmanlike. Why the games? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

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Why because some of the members on this site are trying to make this situation one sided.

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Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

So, as I understand it, you had a wrecking yard and one of your employees sold the car with the ownership and you still have the original motor and rear end and now, you figure that the car is still out there and you want the car back? My query is, how could you be smart enough to keep the motor and rear end but not the car?

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

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I'm beginning to smell a rat.

This is completely hearsay at this point, but "someone" just told me that the rear in the ebay auction was "found" in a newly purchased Nova a month ago.

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It must be someone close to the inner circle there, as that faction is staying VERY quiet other than Beliar's attempts to ridicule the guy selling the motor.


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So this little ditty on Camaro.net where you Moderate looks kind of premature now huh ? Learn how to spell my name.I am not ridiculing anything. The whole story sounds pretty stupid doesn't it ? No one in my "inner circle" owns this car and I have no clue who does.Don't infer that I am covering someones asss Jimmy.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

OK...Here is my current and I believe correct info on # 66. Mcgroder purchased the car from the second owner around 1988. The second owner actually traded in ZL1 # 67 on it. This was either at Huffman or somewhere in Il. There was still Huffman paperwork in the car. The car had a LT1 in it and they were told at the time the orig ZL1 engine went in a roundy round car somewhere. At the time of the Mcgroder purchase both hidden vins were checked and were the orig vins for ZL1 # 66. The current owner should and probably does have that trade in paperwork. The engine in #66 has a S or something similar to denote it as a restamp. This info comes from someone who I believe.

I don't believe the seller of the engine on Ebay ever had that car.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

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I'm beginning to smell a rat.

This is completely hearsay at this point, but "someone" just told me that the rear in the ebay auction was "found" in a newly purchased Nova a month ago.

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It must be someone close to the inner circle there, as that faction is staying VERY quiet other than Beliar's attempts to ridicule the guy selling the motor.


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So this little ditty on Camaro.net where you Moderate looks kind of premature now huh ? Learn how to spell my name.I am not ridiculing anything. The whole story sounds pretty stupid doesn't it ? No one in my "inner circle" owns this car and I have no clue who does.Don't infer that I am covering someones asss Jimmy.

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There appears to be some misunderstanding regarding the second remark of mine that was quoted.

I certainly did NOT intend to imply that anyone in the "inner circle" here was involved in this in any way, only that the current owner of this car is remaining silent, and the "inner circle" here seems to be fine with that. His right, and yours, of course.

It is kinda interesting trying to track the history of this car, tho I'm starting to feel a bit like the proverbial "bull in a china shop."

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

So how did Voodoo-Bill get a hold of the drivetrain? If this is in fact the real drivetrain.

Second, how was he able to register the car? Could it have been done through one of those title services?

He states he is giving out ALL the information.....what information???? Other than tiny little bits and pieces....

He states he is waiting to hear from the owner of the car. Due to the value of this automobile this NOT something that the owner and Voodoo-Bill need to discuss in an open forum on the internet. This is NOT something that they should discuss over the telephone. This IS something that attorneys representing both parties need to discuss. The value of the car puts it in Federal lawsuit territory and with money like that on the table that is the only place I can see this being resolved. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

I don't understand why Bill is auctioning off the motor?

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Probably just part of his game playing. I would venture to guess that his "reserve" is set so high, they won't sell.

Russ...

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

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AZCAMAROS Beware of this Auction! Car #66 has been in Arizona since the late 70's and remains here.

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GLAD TO SEE SOME OF YOU ARE FINALLY BACKING ME UP!!!! THIS CAR WAS SAID TO BE AN ARIZONA CAR ITS WHOLE LIFE, NOW ITS SAID TO BE AN ILLINOIS CAR HALF ITS LIFE!!!! WHEN IS THIS CAR GOING TO COME BACK TO THE NORTH EAST AND BECOME THE RACE CAR IT WAS????
I called Desert Autosport when this car was listed by them. They had no idea who I was. They told me that #66 ZL1 that were selling was 100% original #'s matching, found sitting in a barn in Arizona its whole life, They stated this car still had the original manufacturer's statement of origin!!
Now we get a whole new story on car #66 ZL1. Now its not #'s matching, has a small block in it. Car no longer Arizona car its whole life. Car now an Illionis car half its life. This story changes every day like a soap opera.
So as I said before I never signed ownership away of Car #66 Zl1 Vin# 124379N644311.And I still have some of its original componets!!! I fell the truth will come out very soon about this car being an east coast race car like I said!!!!!!!! ( PS Can anyone tell me why I have a high bidder named desertautosport bidding on my parts on ebay ) WHY IS HE BIDDING ON THEM? SINCE HE STATED HE ALREADY HAD THEM IN A #'S MATCHING #66 ZL1 ??????????????????

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

WOW...This is getting good! Popping more pop corn now.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/drool.gif

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

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So as I said before I never signed ownership away of Car #66 Zl1 Vin# 124379N644311.And I still have some of its original componets!!!

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Your bidness, but any of the original paper not signed away might lend a hand in validating your angle.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

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So as I said before I never signed ownership away of Car #66 Zl1 Vin# 124379N644311. And I still have some of its original components!!!

[/ QUOTE ]I'm with BelAir here, okay, I've read/heard enough already, VooDoo if YOU have proof that YOU never signed the car away, that would mean that you have owned it BEFORE PMc did, soooo YOU need to post a copy of the title, since a delinquent registration COPY isn't proof of anything in court, or i'm sure YOU can expect heavy litigation if YOU can't prove the above statement YOU just made, on a world read public access forum. In other words, it's time for YOU to put up or shut up !! YOUR credibility is greatly at stake here over ONE car, and I don't care how many other cars you own, this ONE car could break you for life... a legitimate TITLE is your river card, so it's time to turn it over, because without a TITLE to back up YOUR statements and auction, you have nothing more than meltable scrap alloy, at 25 cents a pound.

JH

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

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this ONE car could break you for life... a legitimate TITLE is your river card, so it's time to turn it over, because without a TITLE to back up YOUR statements and auction, you have nothing more than meltable scrap alloy, at 25 cents a pound.


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Which leads to my previous statement........

The value of this car is FEDERAL LAWSUIT TERRITORY.....and only there will this be decided.

All he has provided is a copy of a registration for this VIN and that at the time he owed the municipality of Wolcott back property taxes. I caught that on the registration form. This what the state had on the registration he provided.....

YOUR REGISTRATION RENEWAL HAS NOT BEEN PROCESSED BECAUSE - THIS REGISTRATION WILL NOT BE RENEWED UNLESS YOU PROVIDE PROOF OF PAYMENT OF OVERDUE MUNICIPAL PROPERTY TAX FROM: WOLCOTT

He has never provided proof that he was able to register the car with the tax issue. Maybe this is why the issue he is raising or trying to raise is going nowhere fast.....

I ask....how can you own so many expensive cars and get in a pinch on property tax. Unless Voodoo threw the tax bill out like the body of the #66......Hold it........when the city or county or state want their money.....they send LOTS of paperwork.....so I ask again.....if you have that much money tied up in cars.......how can you fall behind in your property tax - time to sell some cars - raise some capital - maybe this auction is a ploy to squeeze some money out of #66's LEGAL owner????

More observations.........Yenko forum member ZL1#17 started this thread and after a few posts shortly showed that he knew the seller of the motor. Early in the thread he defended voodoo - Bill and then voodoo stepped up to the plate himself. Since then, ZL1#17 has disappeared from the discussion. Surely member ZL1#17 voodoo - Bill's best friend has something to say....but stays silent. Why?

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

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This hobby is beginning to suck. Maybe it is just in this end of it. I don't know...... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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<font color="blue">If I had #66, I would make it a full out G-Machine just to end this thread.

WHAT!?

Don't tempt me, I'll do it ...

OK, that's it ... where's that ad???

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Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

My personal guess is Bill acquired the engine somewhere and found a way to get paperwork for the car. It is clear from his registration showing it as a X442L1 he was trying to further document it as a ZL1(I am assuming the 2L1 was a misprint of ZL1). So over the years he has had paper on the car and maybe has the engine. If you are documenting the car as a ZL1 you are not losing track of it like his claim. Unless he comes up with bare metal pics of the hidden vins I won't believe any of his paperwork. Maybe he had the roundy round car that had the engine. That would explain why it was not worth saving. Many roundy round cars have been cut up so much there are no vins but if you found one with a ZL1 engine in it you would sure like to think it belonged in that car especially if you knew how important ZL1's were. I think Bill put the engine up on Ebay and told the tale about having the car as a way to doll up his auction. He has had years to try and resolve this with the owners but has made no effort except to say he was blown off by Desert Autosport and that when he reported it to the Police they never called him back. Hanging your hat on a Sports car dealer saying it is #'s matching means it is a fake is silly. And anyone that thinks there is no way to get a car vin verified without ever producing a real car to look at is niave.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

I have a better idea Both the original owner of the title
and the current owner of the car make a deal restore the car
and then sell it split the money. Instead of some lawyers
eating all the profits https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...-I-Have-It.gif
All of us would then be better off to have the car back to
original
PJ

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

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It is clear from his registration showing it as a X442L1 he was trying to further document it as a ZL1(I am assuming the 2L1 was a misprint of ZL1).

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Which leads me to believe the documnet he shows is not on the up and up. Since when does the model designation on a registration show the style trim and engine???

Shouldn't the model desgination say "CAMARO"? I think it should.

Rick H.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

that document is crap. why, you ask? because I can photoshop it to say anything, even My name and address and YOUR cars VIN. So there, now you did it, you made me cynical. I like the theory that the motor came out of a NONZL1 roundy round car. Or, that if the car was ever in the scrapyard that an employee sold it or the tags and made a mint. I'm also thinking that the motor for sale on Ebay dosent even exist, that maybe he saw these old photos somewhere and figured he could just post them for some controversy cause its slow this time of year in the scrapyard business and you cant figure out which of 100 muscle cars to drive today. yeah, cynical...I like it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

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you cant figure out which of 100 muscle cars to drive today.

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ooops 99 now...another one is gone ...not sure if it was stolen or crushed...dammit. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

This is a crock. Anyone I know that has alot of cars NEVER spouts off about how many cars they have. The only ones that do are the ones that don't!!!!

Good job moderators and others, next.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

What's the history on the "BE" rear in the auction?

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Hello again everyone,

I just wanted to show you all a real CT registration from a 69 Camaro I just purchased. CT does not require a title for a car this old, but they do need to perform a physical inspection before they'll issue a registration. I know this because the seller of the car I purchased had to have one done before he got the reg. You will see this looks nothing like the paperwork provided by VOODOO. I hope I can get it loaded properly for all to see. I've been following these threads and was surprised to now see that Bill is looking for yet another ZL1. This is really getting to be quite a story now. What can you believe if anything at all anymore. If the file doesn't load properly, bare with me. I'll try to get it up ASAP.

Nick

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Let's try this again. I'll keep trying till I can post the document.

Nick

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

It's there now...