Re: Motion Nova ???????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just for what it's worth regarding the notarized statements... the way that I do it is to take copious notes when talking to the individual. Then send them a letter with self addressed return envelope &amp; $$ for notary fee. On the correspondence I say &quot;this correspondence is to memorialize our conversation of (date). Please feel free to alter/change/add anything that you feel will make the document more accurate. Please do not include anything that you don't clearly recall about the car. When you have completed the changes(initial and date each one)and are prepared to attest to its accuracy - please sign the document in the presence of a notary and return it to me in the enclosed envelope&quot;.

I feel that it's kind of an unreasonable expectation to finish a conversation with a former owner (a conversation that could have been hours long), and then ask the individual to write everything discussed down. So, I do the work for them and then ask the former owner to review it, correct it, and sign it. The document always makes it clear that it was typed up by ME to memorialize our conversation. All hand written notes and attesting signature (of course) are from the former owner.

If the document(s) make it clear up front how they came into being - it doesn't raise more questions then it answers. Hopefully this helps.

Also, for what it's worth to everyone, it's a good idea to have statements like this in the car's file from every old owner. Some of these former owners are getting up there in years (like me). It's good to have their statements live on - for the car's sake.

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That is similar to what I have done in the past. You send them a typed up synopsis of the interview and ask them to review it, and/or revise it if necessary and then get it notarized and mailed back.

I was extremely lucky with the 73 SD recently, when the original owner, on his own, hand typed a 16-page, single spaced novella of his entire experience with car and then had it notarized and fedexed to me. That was a one-in-a-million situation because he was sooooo overjoyed to know the car was still around and wanted to remain a part of its history.

Re: Motion Nova ???????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: njsteve</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just for what it's worth regarding the notarized statements... the way that I do it is to take copious notes when talking to the individual. Then send them a letter with self addressed return envelope &amp; $$ for notary fee. On the correspondence I say &quot;this correspondence is to memorialize our conversation of (date). Please feel free to alter/change/add anything that you feel will make the document more accurate. Please do not include anything that you don't clearly recall about the car. When you have completed the changes(initial and date each one)and are prepared to attest to its accuracy - please sign the document in the presence of a notary and return it to me in the enclosed envelope&quot;.

I feel that it's kind of an unreasonable expectation to finish a conversation with a former owner (a conversation that could have been hours long), and then ask the individual to write everything discussed down. So, I do the work for them and then ask the former owner to review it, correct it, and sign it. The document always makes it clear that it was typed up by ME to memorialize our conversation. All hand written notes and attesting signature (of course) are from the former owner.

If the document(s) make it clear up front how they came into being - it doesn't raise more questions then it answers. Hopefully this helps.

Also, for what it's worth to everyone, it's a good idea to have statements like this in the car's file from every old owner. Some of these former owners are getting up there in years (like me). It's good to have their statements live on - for the car's sake.

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That is similar to what I have done in the past. You send them a typed up synopsis of the interview and ask them to review it, and/or revise it if necessary and then get it notarized and mailed back.

I was extremely lucky with the 73 SD recently, when the original owner, on his own, hand typed a 16-page, single spaced novella of his entire experience with car and then had it notarized and fedexed to me. That was a one-in-a-million situation because he was sooooo overjoyed to know the car was still around and wanted to remain a part of its history. </div></div>

All great advice..I love those original owner reuniting stories !! ...Only thing I can add is that even better yet is what I did with my 67 Z racecar when I took the original owner out for dinner. With his permission, I taped our whole conversation !..then I went and typed a short synopsis of the highlights and met with him again at a notary the next day before flying back home.

..I was lucky to have a few letters typed up by the owners themselves and notarized for me..although be careful because many years have past and even original owners memories have faded at times..I have a spoiler that was painted for the 70 Old reliable Camaro..the old owner typed a letter explaining its history and how he obtained it. Although the letter and spoiler are authentic, some of the details of the family ties are incorrect.

Re: Motion Nova ???????
 

I video'd the original owner of the Tin Soldier COPO (with his permission) last year at the Nat's. He also signed the weight box in the trunk and the fan shroud. You can never have too much documentation.

Rich

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Who did Motion Performance use to paint the cars back in the day? With all the auto body/paint shops out on the island, why send it all the way down to South Orange NJ to redo it cause the kid didn't like the color scheme?

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All I know from talking to Dan from the paint shop is that they did over 10 cars for Motion Performance to paint the Motion stripes on them and this was the first car they did for them in their shop which got their foot in the door since they used numerous shops for their paint jobs and Joel probably shopped around to get best prices. Battaglia Auto Body was well known for their paint jobs on racing cars at Englishtown, N.J. back then. They advertized in Raceway Park News back then. They probably got chosen to work on this car due to Fredy living in Elizabeth, N.J. which was close to South Orange, N.J. He did Carman Rotonda cars and Brooklyn Heavy cars and for Jungle Jim Liberman.

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Here is ad from Raceway Park https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-battaglia.jpg

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Hi Barry,

You may want to listen to the recording from Tony Battaglia that I made when I talked to him again. He was polar opposite of Danny Magalia. He was very clear when he stated the car was never in his shop and he never painted it. He further stated his shop wasn't even open during the time frame of when this car was (supposedly painted per Dan's 14 year research the car was done in late 1968). He further stated he wasn't in the country he was off to war and his shop didn't open until mid 1969. He also made it very clear he didn't do any B/M cars until 1970'S...

Seems like that information which should be able to be verified by business license records and military records sure may contradict one elderly employees memory..

Tony also made it clear he was still in contact with Joel so without his confirmation of the situation you having a former employee's version of it may not hold much weight...

All in all as we talked about, you will need some hard facts to prove this car is what it is claimed to be, especially since the memory pool has been tainted so much with time and the researchers putting twist on peoples memory to &quot;help them&quot; remember the details. As I mentioned to you, once I talked to the people that Dan gave me the information on, there memory was not exactly the same as the way it was presented to me by Dan.

I sent you all the recorded conversations with everyone that I spoke to about the car other than Joel( I Didn't record that), so you can certainly hear there unsolicited testimony. As far as Joel is concerned, as I told you he clearly stated there is no records to lead him to believe that this car has any ties to Baldwin or Motion at all in his files, his letter to Dan clearly also stated it...

Good luck with the continued research and I hope everything works out to be able to tell the truth about the car, but keep in mind its still only a body with no driveline and some of the parts Dan confirmed were added to the car from his treasure hunts over the years such as the hood...

If your going to put things out there for people to look at you may want to put it all out there including the recording and the letters and notes, this would surely help people to draw an un-bias opinion of what really has gone on with the search for the truth about this car.


Mike

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^^^^^^^^^^^^Brought this thread to a screeching halt. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/blush.gif[/img]

Re: Motion Nova ???????
 

YEA, how about that. No more info?

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I was talking with Tony Battaglia last week and he said after I told him that I had notarized letters from Dan Maglio that he would call his other relative Steve who did the dye on the interior and get back to me. He called me and said could I give him Joels phone number so he could talk to him before he told more things. So I gave him Joels number since he asked. He called me back and told me that Joel told him not to talk no more about that car with anyone. That is all he said about it that he was not allowed to give info about the car. Also the other two motion employees I was talking to told me the same thing now that they were not to talk about this car anymore.

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I wonder what the punishment would be if these men talked about any car that was worked on at Motion Performance or worked on by an outside company?
Did Joel Rosen make these guys sign a non disclosure agreement when they worked for him or performed work for Motion Performance?

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Its really sad the way this ordeal is playing out.Seems to be a ton of speculation either way. Didnt a similar situation happen in the past with another car?????

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Joel wants his $$$$ again. That's why no one's allowed to talk about it.

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I think you are way off-base on this. Joel does not want any money regarding this car. He has stated that he has no records on the car being at Motion, does not remember the car, and wants nothing to do with it. I do not remember it as well.
You can offer him as much money as you like and that story won't change.End of story.
Marty

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Joel wants his $$$$ again. That's why no one's allowed to talk about it. </div></div>


I'm still fuzzy on this, &quot;can't talk about it&quot;, thing....
What would prevent them from talking about it?
Can anyone clear that up for some of us?

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Wow, although I rarely submit any comments on this board, but today I decided to add mine..........I thought it was supposed to be &quot;END OF STORY&quot;???????? How long are people going to pick at it???????????????

Re: Motion Nova ???????
 

So far it looks like 14 pages worth.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Martyn L. Schorr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think you are way off-base on this. Joel does not want any money regarding this car. He has stated that he has no records on the car being at Motion, does not remember the car, and wants nothing to do with it. I do not remember it as well.
You can offer him as much money as you like and that story won't change.End of story.
Marty </div></div>

But one 68 nova was done at motion correct? I think it was noted in some motion book? If it was noted in the book that was published then Joel must have the info on that paticular 68 Nova?

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Sounds like Dan simply pestered Joel too much about the car hence why he doesn't want to talk more now or hear from others about it?
That said, Joel remembering or having paper for it now has nothing to do w/ whether it's a real Motion car or not as just think of the sheer amount of cars and performance that went through his hands and shop!
No doubt a tougher road to verify any Motion vehicle history without Joel but best of luck if you keep trying and hopefully you find a way to circumvent the need for his blessings.
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~ Pete

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IMO if Joel does not give that car his blessing it doesn't matter who painted it, dyed the interior, worked on it or mounted the tires. Even if Dennis Ferrara or Bill Mitchel drove it at Raceway Park without Joel's blessing,handshake nod or whatever I can't see that car standing much of a chance. Not much left of the car anyway is there?

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Wondering if there is a picture trail of this Nova from the past?
Just my own curiosity..

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All the debate aside...We are talking about a Nova that was supposedly brought to Motion and had work done. It was not a Baldwin Motion car. If restored I think whoever does it will be very upside down in it.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All the debate aside...We are talking about a Nova that was supposedly brought to Motion and had work done. It was not a Baldwin Motion car. If restored I think whoever does it will be very upside down in it. </div></div>

This car now, probably. However, if this were indeed (and I personally don't think it will ever happen) the first ever Nova that Motion did, and it had sufficient history and a pedigree, it would probably be more than reasonable to restore and be ok on it.

Problem is there is no consistency with Joel, and he has admitted in this case (at least, there are more) that no matter what proof comes up, he will dispute it as a motion car. As much as Dan rubs people wrong and has an agenda, so does Joel apparently.

Same thing happened to that Chevelle, until someone whom was acceptable to Joel purchased the Chevelle, then it got &quot;certified&quot; as a &quot;Phase III&quot; Chevelle as more info mysteriously appeared.

All that to say, due to the black eye on this car and no way to independently prove anything one way or another, and zero chance that Joel will certify the car, I would restore it frame on as a Day2 period correct car and enjoy it.

Or sell it to someone connected to Joel [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

Rich

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You can't blame joel. If there is no paper on this car or memory of it, game over. I would not take other peoples word, it needs concrete paperwork. Value it as a regular nova.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: resto4u</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can't blame joel. If there is no paper on this car or memory of it, game over. I would not take other peoples word, it needs concrete paperwork. Value it as a regular nova. </div></div>

But, that's not my understanding of what others are reporting here after speaking with him. He is apparently saying he will NEVER authenticate the car no matter what surfaces.

Big difference (if what people are saying here).

And for full disclosure, I don't care for the guy either. He was paid to give us a report on a suspected motion car. Said it was a &quot;maybe&quot;. Ok no bigge, asked for the report, paperwork. He said he does not give paperwork for a maybe. Back and forth, I asked for a &quot;no&quot; report then, again nothing but refusal from him. At the end of the day, if you are charging people thousands of dollars for a report, you should provide a written report. Yes, no or maybe.

Of course, within two weeks I got a call and email from a well known person trying to buy my crappy non motion car. He would do me a favor and take it off my hands.

Rich

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Guys, I'm running out of POPCORN.... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif[/img]

DH [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif[/img]

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Stick to facts and not name calling.
-Charley

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My spider senses are telling me that this car was touched by motion.