Phase 3 Z30?
 

I hate to say it,but from the price this thing is bid up to I am guessing that somebody is thinking they are getting a Motion car.Aside from having no verification,I see a few problems with this car.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-chev...A1%7C240%3A1318

I hope that they dont think that the paint/stripes are original,it looks to me like the driver's quarter has a skin on it{and a poor job at that}.

They better check the hidden VIN on the firewall.I have owned many early 2nd gen Camaros,and something seems off to me.The body tag says 11D as the build date,and the VIN sequence is 143,xxx.I have both a 73 firebird,and 73 camaro and recently cut up a 73 firebird,and also have a 74 camaro.Both the firebirds were 11C Cars and their VIN's were 103,xxx,and my 73 camaro is an 11D and is 108,xxx.My 74 is a 9C and is a 102,xxx.That vin sounds like a March or April car,but maybe the strike threw things off a bit that year.It has some cool emblems though.

Does aybody else think that somebody might be getting fleeced here?

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i'm not sure if its real or not. The seller answered an email i sent him and said some knowledgeable people looked it over and said its real. Im skeptical but at the same time im kinda hopeful its real because I like to see these thing emerge like this out of no where. I guess only time will tell and that does look like a bad quarter job. im keeping my fingers crossed

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Motion fakes from back in the 70's are rampant in North Jersey.Just last week went to look at a 72 Camaro in the very next town away from this one.Last registered in 1978{and seemingly parked in a lake after that}it had Motion flares,an L88 scoop over the stock hood and huge aluminum slot mags on it.The seller didnt imply it was a Motion car,but this is one of many similar cars that were given the "motion makeover" back in the day.

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I am watching the auction myself just out of curiosity. I took the time to contact the seller and he shared with me all that he knew at the time which was not a whole lot BTW. Like me, he does not know much of the Motion cars. He said that there is some guy that would confirm, document an affidavit for $2500 bucks stating that it is a true Motion Camaro. Something smells fishy there. The guy that is selling the car is the owner of a body shop and has had it for 17 years and just wants it out of the shop. Who knows?

Someone here that lives near his shop that knows these cars should go check it out and post about it.

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that some guy is Joel "Mr Motion" Rosen. he is the owner of MOTION Performance and the builder of BALDWIN/MOTION SUPERCARS. Nothing fishy about him and he has the documentation to verify whether the car is a real deal or a phony. if the owner had the documentation it would be worth a great deal to someone looking for a BALDWIN MOTION with its pedigree. and i believe the price is 2500 for the vehicle research.but having a MOTION CAMARO in my eyes is priceless. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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Like I said I know nothing about these cars nor know a thing about Mr. Rosen, well until now https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

THANKS

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that some guy is Joel "Mr Motion" Rosen. he is the owner of MOTION Performance and the builder of BALDWIN/MOTION SUPERCARS. Nothing fishy about him and he has the documentation to verify whether the car is a real deal or a phony. if the owner had the documentation it would be worth a great deal to someone looking for a BALDWIN MOTION with its pedigree. and i believe the price is 2500 for the vehicle research.but having a MOTION CAMARO in my eyes is priceless. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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What documentation does Joel have? Has anyone seen the documentation. My understanding is that he asks for pics of accessories still on the car, holes and welding used for motion modifications and such. Please elaborate....

If he has documentation (assuming it is based on the VIN) all he would need is a VIN; is that what he needs to verify.

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he needs vin and cowl tag info. if he built the car he has the vin and cowl tag in his files. im sure that there are other questions he will ask also. do a title search and get the original owners name with vin and cowltag info and call him. it is a non refundable transaction 2500.00 either way whether it is or isnt

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im not the definitive source on this but when i talked with him awhile back on a car i was looking at he asked me what info i had. i told him about the car what i knew. he said get the vin and tag info. do research of your own. such as title search, get any documents of the car that you can.he will ask questions about things he did to the car to see if they are still there. hes a man of his word. he wont piddle around he will tell you whether its real or bogus and if someone steps on his toes (selling repop parts, selling clones as originals or making up or falsifying documents) he has no problem introducing the perp to his attorney. he a great guy. the few times i talked to him he was blunt and to the point. if he says hes got the proof if the cars a real deal or not you can bet your rear he is telling the truth. he does have the documents. 2500 is his price reguardless of the outcome. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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ok let me say this again IM NOT THE AUTHORITY ON THIS. I'm only giving the info that was asked of me when I made the call. Once again I apologize if I confused or mislead or offened anyone . that was not my intent

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I wonder how much info he needs to find his paperwork.I went to look at a car that came with all the original paperwork{it was an unrestored original} and I got a copy of all the papers{over 10 grand in work}but none of the papres had a VIN or plate number.Basically he wrote up jobs to build entire cars on invoices that looked a lot like you would get for a regualr repair job at a local tire store.Instead of saying things like wheel alignmenr and mount and balance like an order from your local goodyear shop would say,the order would say things like install 550hp pahse3 engine-$2500.Install 4.10 ring and pinion $150,install superbite suspention $200.and so on.Had the customer's mane and a brief description of the car like "Blue Camaro" or something.I wonder how he documants these cars.

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I couldnt begin to guess. theres so many different stories flying around I guess your best bet is to call Joel yourself and go from there. I can tell you it helps to know the original owners name. Basically, all he is telling you"documents" is yes or no it is a MOTION car, the work was done here and that he verifies it. some say its all off of his memory but i dont buy that. I feel he has nothing to lose either way whether he verifies the car or not and few people may argue this but, I feel the extent of how much he tells a person is in how hes approached. For instance, if you call him up and have a cocky attitude and say "I found a motion car that you need to verify"hes gonna treat you the same way.the few times I had spoke with him hes a very nice guy but if you try to feed him b.s. with a slingshot and be the "know all" your results will be a waste of time. Keep in mind he probably has several calls daily asking for verification. Just make sure you know as much as possible about your car in question such as which 454 it came with the color, what options it had but what i think is most important is the original owner. Remember, I am not the most knowledgeable on this I'm just trying to help a little. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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has anybody heard anything else on this car since the new owner acquired it? just curious

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Yeah , I'm curious to. What's up this this car -any possible updates or whereabouts to where it has gone...

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I'm most interested if it actually was a real deal Z30 or not. I d also like to see how its coming along either way https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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VIN
1q87l2n143423

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didnt the last seller post the vin and there were a few discrepencies about it? what do you know about this vin xBaldwin Motion?

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1q87l2n143423

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just notating the VIN as listed in the sale for future searches. having a hard time copying those peeBait pictures

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I sent you a few that were sent to me

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heres a few pics of the car in question. i have more that i have to upload. enjoyhttp://i490.photobucket.com/albums/r...WBKORTbh1s.jpghttp://i490.photobucket.com/albums/r.../motioncar.jpghttp://i490.photobucket.com/albums/r...motioncar3.jpghttp://i490.photobucket.com/albums/r...motioncar4.jpg

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Just keep posting all the cool pics you got..

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i have to dig through my computer. i think the file got messed up

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heres a few more pics i found of the z/30
http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/r...e/njmotion.jpg
http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/r.../njmotion2.jpghttp://i490.photobucket.com/albums/r.../njmotion3.jpg
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Anything going on with this car ???

I've been wondering the same thing.
I remember this old ebay ad.

Have any Z30's surfaced?

Rich