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69 hemi road runner
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Does anyone know where I can find the production numbers on 69 hemi road runners? Thanks |
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I had one in high school (1974) ...RM21J..... If I remember right, bench seat, automatic on the column, B - something green with black guts.
I remember changing the "J" to a "H" when I reported the VIN# to the insurance company. Worked well untill I got caught. The engine / transmission was totally reworked by Teter Automive in Elgin Illinois. 11:57 in the quater mile @ Union Grove, Wi. in 1974 on slicks. I have a picture taken by Ray Mars (photo guy @ Union Grove, drove a Honda Mini-trail) when I was racing a 1968 Shelby GT-500 KR, But I don't know how to post it. The guy I sold it to imploaded the transmission (and floor pan) out on I-290 racing a yellow 1969 Yenko Camaro in 1977. He then sold it to the President of the Illinois chapter of the Walter P Chrysler club, lived in Highland Park, Illinois if I remember right. I did a title search in 1991 with the VIN through the Illinois Secretary of State, but now information was found. I believe the production numbers were about 150 automatic Hemi's in 1969 if I am not mistaken. HELL OF A CAR!!! Bill Pankiw 2008 Red ZO-6 Corvette 1970 Black LS-6 Chevelle M-22 / 4:10 2006 Yamaha Apex GT - Crazy Fast! |
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'69 Hemi Road Runner Production Numbers
HARDTOP: 4spd:234 Auto:188 Canada:14 Total: 436 COUPE: 4spd:194 Auto:162 Canada: 22 Total:378 CONVERTIBLE: 4spd:4 Auto:6 Canada:2 Total: 12 |
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Sam,
"I believe the production numbers were about 150 automatic Hemi's in 1969 if I am not mistaken. I guess I wasn't to far off. RM21J.... I think mine was a hard top (post) car? Bill Pankiw 2008 Red ZO-6 Corvette 1970 Black LS-6 Chevelle M-22 / 4:10 2006 Yamaha Apex GT - Crazy Fast! |
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Thanks guys
I've come across one that's for sale the guy claims its a real J code hemi, I haven't seen the car my self,just picks needs a full restoration, The guy seems to know what his talking about, However I want to try make sure she's the real deal, Any guru's here that can give me some advice what to look for?, How to tell? anything at all, Will be much appreciated Thank you for your time |
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Those numbers are not total, for what it's worth. There could be more, but the difference would be negligible.
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njsteve and few others know their Mopars. I can tell you this much. Take a camera (digital preferrably) with a good battery and take lots of photos. Particularly the fender tag (s), engine stamp pad (below the exh. mans. toward front on passenger side) and photos of stamp pad for tranny (pass. side for 4 spd and driver's side for auto. Rear axle will have codes on back side of pass. side. If 4 speed shld have a Dana 60. Shld be a partial VIN on rad. support bracket and I believe (I know the '70 RRs had them here) the driver's side rear quarter gutter area under the rubber seal. Of course photograph the VIN on the dash too. Make sure your photos are in focus and set yr camera to Macro (looks like a little flower icon) for the close up shots. Photo any docs he has too. Good luck. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif
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Thanks guys I've come across one that's for sale the guy claims its a real J code hemi, I haven't seen the car my self,just picks needs a full restoration, The guy seems to know what his talking about, However I want to try make sure she's the real deal, Any guru's here that can give me some advice what to look for?, How to tell? anything at all, Will be much appreciated Thank you for your time [/ QUOTE ] There are a few earmarks that will help verify that you have the real deal. First and foremost, make sure that the numbers stamped into the radiator support and trunk lip,(under the glued weatherstrip-drivers side) matches the VIN. There are also other specific body mods that hemi cars only had. There is a welded plate that reinforces the area where the pinion snubber contacts on the body. The other areas to look are the framerails in the back by the bumper. Only Hemi cars got the small welded plates that tie in that area. "Torque boxes" that reinforce the frame in the front and back were boxed in on hemis as well, but I have also documented non hemi cars that had this mod from the factory. Convertibles also had this same mod. Various little other things to look for are: -If the car has power brakes-then it should have the offset bracket to relocate the booster and master cylinder higher up. - It should have a 26" radiator opening. - If it has the original air grabber box then the area where the master cylinder is raised will have a "pocket" lined with rubber cut into the box to allow the master cylinder to not interfere with the air grabber housing when the hood is closed. - If it is an auto trans car, then it should have a factory trans cooler in front of the radiator. It could have been removed at some time as well= so this shouldn't be a deal breaker. While this gives you a basic guideline, there are other items to look for as well, but it will depend on how the car was optioned originally. Many Mopars(including hemi and non hemi) were fitted with "hemi suspension" which contained HD torsion bars and leaf springs, shocks, etc. An original fender tag is a must and a broadcast sheet is a plus but not a deal breaker as it was a common occurence for a car to have the wrong or no broadcast in the car when it left the plant. Pay close attention to the VIN tag on the dash, if the rivets look molested in any way then that should raise a red flag. Feel free to PM me if you need any other assistance. MB |
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Thanks guys
I Have a few pics the seller send me I can put them up in a few.. Thanks again |
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Some extra info I know so far from seller has told me
''It has the belt and rocker moldings It also has the light package (fender mounted turn signals, trunk light, glove box light, etc) AM/8 track (three speaker dash), clock, full horn ring (someone cut it down) rear speaker AND rear defog The original package tray (with factory holes) is still in the car, as well as the defog vent and tube, and the switches are still under the dash. As I had already stated, this car was originally R6 scorch red with premium black bench seat interior. It has manual steering and manual brakes (kinda odd considering everything else) and column shift auto with an 8.75" rear end. It also did NOT have a vinyl top from the factory.'' Thank you |
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Cars intended for strip use was often ordered with drumbrakes without power and no power steering. A lot of Hemi cars is like this.
Drumbrakes has less drag than discbrakes and power steering robs power. Jan |
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That's a lot of really bad rust there. Unless the original engine comes with the car and you do sheetmetal work yourself and have the NOS body panels already, I would pass on this one. You will be double-upside down in terms of expenses versus actual value long before the car is halfway done.
Just from the photos, it needs a trunk floor, all interior floors, full quarters, trunk weatherstrip channels, trunk drop offs, rear window filler panel, doors... Looks like the area on the rear trunk weatherstrip channel where the partial VIN would have been is already rusted away and gone. All those pine needles are a very bad sign. That stuff is like acid when it is allowed to sit on the car and hold moisture. On the plus side, the VIN tag and rivits look legit and not monkeyed with. As for the manual drum brakes on these cars - the fact that they had them has far more to do with the expense of the power disc brake option package than any rumors of it being intended as a drag car. Depending upon the model, the hemi engine could have been close to a $900 option. That left little room for anything else if you were on a budget back then. And if I recall correctly, to get the power disc, you had to order the Super Track Pak which included a bunch of other mandatory options raising the option price higher still. |
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Oh my God, what a mess...
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My car was also a manual steering / manual brake / 8.75 rear car. I sure scavenged a few rear ends out of bone yards in the time I owned it.
It also had the air grabber induction system, but with the Rat Roaster intake, I had to remove all the hardware / air cleaner, ect, and adjust the rear of the hood way up so it would close. I thought all Hemi / Automatic cars had the 8.75 rear, and you could only get a Dana in a Drag Pack equiped 4 speed car. Bill Pankiw |
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My car was also a manual steering / manual brake / 8.75 rear car. I sure scavenged a few rear ends out of bone yards in the time I owned it. It also had the air grabber induction system, but with the Rat Roaster intake, I had to remove all the hardware / air cleaner, ect, and adjust the rear of the hood way up so it would close. I thought all Hemi / Automatic cars had the 8.75 rear, and you could only get a Dana in a Drag Pack equiped 4 speed car. Bill Pankiw [/ QUOTE ] In 1969, a "Super Performance Axle" pkg equipped, auto trans car would have come with a 4.10 Dana and 4 piston Bendix power disc brakes. if the car was a 4 speed, the package was called "Super Track Pack". As for the car, I agree with the others. This is a project of epic proportions. On the positive side, AMD makes just about all of the metal needed to resurrect that car. And at the end of the day, it's a real hemi car in a VERY desirable R6 red color, as such, it should be saved. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif MB |
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Thanks for your help guys.
My main concern is, Does she seem to be a real-deal hemi car? Shes a mess but I'm willing to take her on as I have time on my side, And understand its going to be a painstaking ordeal, But even more so If she turns out not to be a hemi. Thank you |
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Need to see photos of the front mounting area of the rear leaf springs, underhood shot of the underside of the hood, the firewall, the engine mounting area of the K-member.
As I said earlier, the dash VIN is correct for a hemi car and the rivets look untouched so that is a good sign. Time being on your side is always good. I hope that money is on your side too since this car will cost at least $100K to restore properly. If I may be so bold, how much are you paying for the car? You can PM me if you want. Happy to assist. |
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If you choose to get it I would be on the hunt for a solid donor car. You would be cheaper then buying after market sheet metal and could use a lot of misc. parts as well from what I can see.
Does the seller have the original engine and transmission? If not that needs to be considered as to the buy price. Does the seller have a broadcast sheet to the car? I did not see a picture of the fender tag or door sticker with VIN either. Does it have it? As someone has mentioned be sure that you check the radiator support, back trunk lid on below the gasket, for the partial vin numbers. I too am curious as to what he is asking, not interested myself but curious if you are getting a fair deal. I have restored mostly E bodies, Challengers, and Cudas, but have done B bodies, Chargers, and a Superbee. Never had a road runner though. |
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If you choose to get it I would be on the hunt for a solid donor car. [/ QUOTE ] Folks, this is the BEST advice yet, and I wholeheartedly agree. It kinda sucks to cut up a nice original car,but lets say you find a really clean, rust free, lil old lady Belvedere and you g=had to pay, like say, 15K you will be way ahead in the end. And it will make the car a reality without breaking the bank too much. MB |
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To be honest this idea has crossed my mind
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Let's hope a "rebody" doesn't cross your mind. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif
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rolling chassis $1200 bucks! Must be some parts there.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/1299802739.html another parts car: http://athensohio.craigslist.org/pts/1286803765.html |
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To be honest this idea has crossed my mind Thanks [/ QUOTE ] When a car is in this kind of shape and worth restoring it is the only way to go, trust me. Hope some of my links gives you the idea I am talking about. Let us know what happens. So does it have the original motor?? |
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Ontario cars are always that bad and they can be fixed. Get a nice south western car and use pieces of it to repair that body. Im preparing to restore a 69 HEMI RR this winter to ICCA spec. PM me if you need info or parts.
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Thanks for your help everyone
gb70 no motor sadly or tranny, Thanks for the links, For me I think this will be the best way to go I'll keep you guys updated, Once again thank you one and all |
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If you just want a hemi-car because you like them, just buy the car. If you are trying to make a profit, that wont happen. My buddy is fixing a plain Coronet in the same shape because he did not want to spend the extra money for a real Super Bee, RT, GTX or Road Runner up front.
This is a real Hemi car!!! You will probably not make a profit on the car, but you will be the envy of a lot of people when you pop the hood and show the Hemi lurking. Good Luck!!! The rewards when it is done will be worth it!! |
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Not about the money for me, In fact always lost money when it comes to cars, Always been a labors of love, If i get her probably will take me 10 years to finish her, Which by that time wouldn't have the heart to sell.
A hemi is a dream come true for me Thank you |
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The air grabber parts on the bottom side of the hood are unique to HEMI cars, and hard to find, there should also be a trans cooler mounted on the radiator support, skid plate on the bottom of the k frame also, rusty or not the car MUST be fixed by somebody, after all it is red, "Good luck" Rich
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The only thing unique about the air grabber for a Hemi Vs a wedge is the "sock" that is in the drivers side duct. The duct (except for the hole) is exactly the same. The breather base is (obviously) different, but the LID is the same as the single 4V lid.
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The only thing unique about the air grabber for a Hemi Vs a wedge is the "sock" that is in the drivers side duct. The duct (except for the hole) is exactly the same. The breather base is (obviously) different, but the LID is the same as the single 4V lid. [/ QUOTE ] A regular (non-Hemi) fresh air hood can be converted to a "Hemi" hood by adding the rubber boot like this reproduction part listed on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HEMI-BOOT...d=p4506.c0.m245 A rectangular hole has to be corrected located to install the boot. Check out the various pictures included in the listing... BTW, not my listing on eBay. |
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The only thing unique about the air grabber for a Hemi Vs a wedge is the "sock" that is in the drivers side duct. The duct (except for the hole) is exactly the same. The breather base is (obviously) different, but the LID is the same as the single 4V lid. [/ QUOTE ] an original part is still very hard to find, I know what I have paid for the real HEMI air grabber duct in the past, I think it's great that somebody has remade this part,I have not seen it in person but it looks good, I thought it may help to bring up a few of these unique items so the buyer of this car is aware of the different parts he may or may not need to locate, If it is still with the car it is a bonus, Rich |
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It's a scare tactic plain and simple. Intake and exhaust manifolds were Hemi specific, as were the valve covers and other pieces, but as XS29J8 and I have both pointed out, the air grabber wasn't.
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It's a scare tactic plain and simple. Intake and exhaust manifolds were Hemi specific, as were the valve covers and other pieces, but as XS29J8 and I have both pointed out, the air grabber wasn't. [/ QUOTE ] didn't mean to scare you boy's but the part is different, but as stated it can be made, with hope this car still has the REAL parts on it, and you are correct, the intake and exhaust manifolds and valve covers are unique, along with almost every other piece of the engine, |
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yeah....whatever
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It's a scare tactic plain and simple. Intake and exhaust manifolds were Hemi specific, as were the valve covers and other pieces , but as XS29J8 and I have both pointed out, the air grabber wasn't. [/ QUOTE ] There's nothing like stating the obvious https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif |
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Yeah, but both the wedge and hemi engine displacements started with the same number....."4" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif
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[ QUOTE ] It's a scare tactic plain and simple. Intake and exhaust manifolds were Hemi specific, as were the valve covers and other pieces , but as XS29J8 and I have both pointed out, the air grabber wasn't. [/ QUOTE ] There's nothing like stating the obvious https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif [/ QUOTE ] That's my point. We all know that those parts are unique to the Hemi. But someone here is trying to say the air grabber is as unique......which it isn't |
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