Ken Veit's 69 Camaro runs 10.65 on GY Polyglass
 

Congrats Ken!

69 Camaro SS396 L89 Auto 10.65 E/T 131.16 MPH on treaded Goodyear Polyglass.

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Wow nice run on the treaded Goods, The smallblock 302's are flying as well. NHRA record is somewhere in the 10.50 range for the mouse motor. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Congrats Ken!

69 Camaro SS396 L89 Auto 10.65 E/T 131.16 MPH on treaded Goodyear Polyglass.

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Looks great!

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killer ET on those skinnies.What cubes is Ken running?Is the Motor from The Terry Pennington camp?Chris

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killer ET on those skinnies.What cubes is Ken running?Is the Motor from The Terry Pennington camp?Chris

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512ci.

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At 131 mph, it's not a 396. Don't think Travis or Bruce Bochtolder at NHRA tear down would pass this car?? That's more mph than Bobby DeArmond who has a legal 427 stocker. Maybe a Sonny Lenord motor, 650 c.i.+++++

Bob

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it runs in the FAST class....

factory appearing, stock tire.

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And it has exhaust manifolds too. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

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bob,they are allowed to run bigger cubes in F.A.S.T..but,take into consideration,stock manifolds on bias ply tires and they must run date correct heads and intake manifold and carb.Nonetheless,pretty impressive.Chris

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Is Ken a member here? Didn't know if he is. Always look forward to hanging with him at the Martin F.A.S.T. race each year. Try to get all the tips I can from him! Awesome run, Ken.
Dana

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That is fast and as they say, there is no substitute for cubic inches! That engine would have to dyno at least 650-750 + hp to run that mph through exhaust manifolds and street tires. A good B/Stocker Camaro with a 396-375 makes about 575 hp and they only run about 127-128 mph. Do the math!

Like to see what John Mr. "Big Block" Armstrong could build in a class like this. He is the king of The big block Chevy engine. First legal NHRA Super Stocker (a 1969 Camaro) in the 8's many years ago. 8.88 @ 147 mph to be exact! That was hemi territory back then!

Bob

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they have to run a 'stock' Chevy block, no bowtie, merlin, dart, or world blocks allowed

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Donny,

How much do they police what they do? Anything like NHRA tech? Still has to be making big HP#'s on the dyno. L78's make in the high 500 range and that's with the best engine builders in the country. Hetler, Armstrong, Tilburg, LeBrun, etc. Love to look inside that engine.......a lot of ET and MPH to over come exhaust manifolds and exhaust on street tires. Can or do they check for nitrous too?

I remember Tommy Howes got caught with nitrous on his super stock Chevelle about 35 years ago....he got pitched from NHRA for a year a think.

Bob

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'Ya know, somebody mentioned 512 CID and if that's so, let's call it what it is.....and not a 396 or L-89. People tend to get these F.A.S.T. cars mixed up with Pure Stock cars also. I kinda lean towards liking the Pure Stock cars more. These F.A.S.T. cars may have exhaust manifolds but they are also Extrude Honed to within an inch of their life and I would think these things probably take a pretty special camshaft with lots more duration on the exhaust side to compensate for the exhaust manifolds. As far as the Goodyear Polyglas, many of these cars are using an electronic traction-controlling device that's about the size of a pack of cigarettes and will fit in your shirt pocket. Now NHRA Stock Eliminator....there's the impressive class! True 396 and 427's running stock heads, intakes, and carbs with a 9-inch slick! A few of these things have dipped into the 9-second zone. I've always wanted to own and race a real "A" or "B" class Stock Eliminator car.

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.....As far as the Goodyear Polyglas, many of these cars are using an electronic traction-controlling device that's about the size of a pack of cigarettes and will fit in your shirt pocket.

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I've been in and under these F.A.S.T. cars, and while these guys may spend cubic bucks on the engine internals, transmissions and rear ends, they don't even think that much about traction control. It's pretty much a matter of horsepower and torque way exceding what you might expect. No nitrous needed here. The tires pretty much are the limiting factor in this case.

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Mark,

I agree with you. Going fast AND going through tear down is impressive. Especially doing this at Indy! John Duzuc's new 10.53 D/Stock record is impressive......and with a 302 Z28. With the F.A.S.T. class, it looks stock but if anyone has been around these cars for 40+ years, you know it ain't anywhere near stock!

Bob

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Mark,

I agree with you. Going fast AND going through tear down is impressive. Especially doing this at Indy! John Duzuc's new 10.53 D/Stock record is impressive......and with a 302 Z28. With the F.A.S.T. class, it looks stock but if anyone has been around these cars for 40+ years, you know it ain't anywhere near stock!

Bob

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I agree, the stockers are truly impressive. To run the number and be able to be heavily scrutinized is nothing short of spectacular. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

MB

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it runs in the FAST class....

factory appearing, stock tire.

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Just for the record, this time wasn't at a F.A.S.T. sanctioned event. It was at a "supercar shootout". Haven't seen Ken at the last few F.A.S.T. races https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif. Would love to see him get out there with the F.A.S.T. guys, the car is working.

I was there at ATCO- nice job.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

MB

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Very Impressive!!

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Here is another shot of the car.

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I’m curious, what were the 60-ft numbers on the goodyears?

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are you guys all numb? I am not discrediting stock/superstock BUT 6 inch wide bias ply TREADED tires!! 21/2 inch full exhaust...pretty cool.
No traction controls. If found racer is (in supercar series) banned for life!
if i recall kens 60 foot was a high 1.6x?
2010 should be interesting. a few new chevys comming..one really cool really fast one too..plus mine.
Supercar/fast cars "emulate" original appearing cars. Like my Zl1 camaro....a little more than 427 cubic inches!
The supercar series has a certification process to check for oem block heads correct casting heads exhaust manifolds correct style carb etc..
Ryan

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1.60's would be mighty good for street tires. Many of the high 12 and 13 second stockers are barely there with 9" tires.

Love to see the dyno sheets on that engine. Has to be a Super Stock engine with many more cubic inches. Would also like to see NHRA's Travis and Bruce tech that car.......

Bob

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Would also like to see NHRA's Travis and Bruce tech that car.......

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Why would they need to tech Ken's car? That car ain't in their playground...

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Bob... i'm not sure you understand the rules difference's... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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I understand, and there is no discounting they are stout numbers for a street tire car and stock exhaust. I just remember the growing pains with NHRA and IHRA during the early '60's.......and all the tech issues of the day.

I know it's stock appearing, but is tech as intense as an NHRA event? How qualified are the tech guys, what do they check for? How do they check? Is there a rule book? These are just questions that make me curious about the class. After being around race cars for almost 60 years, I just know that you don't go fast for free.

I've heard that Duzac has over $100K in his car and he just set the NHRA record. Fast ain't cheap.

Bob

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I understand, and there is no discounting they are stout numbers for a street tire car and stock exhaust. I just remember the growing pains with NHRA and IHRA during the early '60's.......and all the tech issues of the day.

I know it's stock appearing, but is tech as intense as an NHRA event? How qualified are the tech guys, what do they check for? How do they check? Is there a rule book? These are just questions that make me curious about the class. After being around race cars for almost 60 years, I just know that you don't go fast for free.

I've heard that Duzac has over $100K in his car and he just set the NHRA record. Fast ain't cheap.

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Anything inside of the engine/trans/rear is fair game, so that elminates most of the tech...as long as you start with the correct parts, what you do to them is up to your conscience (ie, checkbook!)...and no, a top tier FAST car isn't cheap, just like a top tier car in XXX class isn't cheap. The car has to appear stock (except inside the trunk), so as long as you hide it, you're golden...

F.A.S.T. rules

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That thing is just flat out beautiful.

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Thats impressive because it is on those little tires and with stock suspention.Inside the engine is a whole different ballgame. .800" lift solid roller cam,14:1 compression,heads ported to the limits of the castings,any size valves ect.If it is a stock casting 396 block I would say that it couldnt be much more then about 475 cubes,and more likly 450 cubes.It could be .125" over with a half fill,could run a 4 3/8" crank with modern stroker profiled steel rods and real short piston skirts.A legal fast engine should easily put 150 hp over the best sorted legal stocker.

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That's about 725 HP. Good Tilburg 396 makes about 575 HP. I'd like to dress up John Armstrong's SS/AA Corvette 427 in the FAST class and stick it in that car. I'm sure the ET and MPH would be off the charts. Especially the MPH.

Bob

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That's about 725 HP. Good Tilburg 396 makes about 575 HP. I'd like to dress up John Armstrong's SS/AA Corvette 427 in the FAST class and stick it in that car. I'm sure the ET and MPH would be off the charts. Especially the MPH.

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Would be a ton of work, 'cause you'd basically be going back to a "stock" car, from a cut up race car...but I guarantee you if John had a go at it he would do well!

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arent these FAST cars gutted?

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arent these FAST cars gutted?

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Gutted? No...lightened, absolutely! Like any good racer will tell you, "you ain't gotta tune weight"! But they're not hacked up like 99% of your race cars (no mini tubs, tube sub-frames, etc)...you'll see full interiors, complete engine compartments. Remember, this class was originally called "Stock Appearing", and FAST stands for "Factory Appearing Stock Tire".

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Stock Eliminator cars are not cut up on mini tubbed. Talked to one of my racing buddies back east who knows a little about the FAST cars. Many are guarded about letting anyone see the engine bay.....period. Hoods are closed most of the time too. What's to hide?

Not like this at INDY in the tear down barn.

Bob

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Sure wasn't like that at the Martin (US131) FAST race. Dudec tore his Hemi down (and reassembled it) in front of everybody. Lots of hoods open for fans to take pictures at most of the races I've been to. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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Stock Eliminator cars are not cut up on mini tubbed. Talked to one of my racing buddies back east who knows a little about the FAST cars. Many are guarded about letting anyone see the engine bay.....period. Hoods are closed most of the time too. What's to hide?

Not like this at INDY in the tear down barn.

Bob

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Some cars are gutted- some are not. Ed Cook's black A12(six pack wedge) RR weighs in at 3920 with the driver. Big Ed weighs about 335#. He took some weight out of it, but because it's a real factory black A12 liftoff hood car and is worth a small fortune, he has no plans on gutting the car out to the moon as some of the other competitors have. Same holds true for his kid's red car- which weighs around the same and has run a best of 11.12 @ 126.80- with a 4 speed.

As for accountability. I can only say this. Dave Dudek(who's Hemi RR is the FASTest in the class andhas won more of these events than anyone), tore his engine down for the world to see at the Nats and his engine teardown has been featured in several magazines. I have personally built several cars that run in this class-including Ed's RR, and none of the guys that I did work for that run these cars would have any issue with people poking around their stuff.

Ed's car has been pretty heavily teched. It has run a best of 10.94 @ 127.60 on G60-15 redlines.

MB

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Stock Eliminator cars are not cut up on mini tubbed. Talked to one of my racing buddies back east who knows a little about the FAST cars. Many are guarded about letting anyone see the engine bay.....period. Hoods are closed most of the time too. What's to hide?

Not like this at INDY in the tear down barn.

Bob

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"Stock Eliminator" cars may not be (as bad), but Super/Stock cars are...and that's what you referenced above when you mentioned Armstrong's SS/AA car. NHRA says the S/S cars are a bit more "liberal" in regards to chassis mods, which is an understatement!

As for the hoods closed on a FAST car, was your friend in the lanes, in the pits, etc? Frankly, though, who cares(!), because the rules say the engine compartment *must* look stock, and they do, and a pretty thorough lookie-lou is part of the tech procedure right off the bat...and several of the cars get yanked to the side later and asked for an even more indepth inspection. And, Stock & Super/Stock cars aren't exactly forth coming in opening their hoods, either...and they're only open in the tech barn because they *have* to be!

I've been to a vast majority of these FAST races, since before they were organized as FAST, and I still run with that series to this day (in our Factory Stock car), and I can tell you, the cars *look* stock, inside & out...I've seen them with MY OWN eyes, and I'm kicking around stepping into the FAST playground myself. These cars look "Factory Appearing", just like their title says...what's so hard to figure out here?

Again, here are the RULES.

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I'd like to dress up John Armstrong's SS/AA Corvette 427 in the FAST class and stick it in that car. I'm sure the ET and MPH would be off the charts. Especially the MPH.

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And while I'm on a roll, lemme add this little gem...

It's a tad presumptuous to think that Armstrong could instantly build a car that would trump anything that the top guys in the FAST series are doing...I'll guarantee you that Terry Pennington (FAST record holder with a 10.3x) and Dave Dudek (FAST mph record holder at 134+), have their ducks in a row...and that goes for nearly the entire FAST field. Armstrong is good at what he does...no he's GREAT at what he does...but while these FAST guys may have been born at night, it wasn't *last* night!

Just my $.02...and Merry Christmas, everyone! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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hey ,2 of my favorite classes are stock eliminator and F.A.S.T..I know some stock eliminator guys that redrill the bottom aframe bolt location and then fill in the old holes.So you can;t say some of these guys don;t have a few tricks up their sleeves.F.A.S.T. guys like Dudek and terry Pennington,Veit etc, are guys that have done their homework and have spent many hours on the dyno's.i think they are all smart guys and ,fill lucky to have these in the musclecar industries.me personally, am a purestocker guy;and plan on dynoing this 396/375 hp motor in afew weeks.chris

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i spoke to mr.tilberg a while back .top of the game guy, for sure.Chris