1970 Yenko Deuce II For Sale
 

While browsing the Phoenix area classified I ran across this listing for a real 1970 Yenko Deuce II for sale.

70 Yenko Duece II, 1 of 5, #s matching, docs, history, sYs
Nova registry, Fathom Blue, $150,000. 602-697-3503

http://www.azcentral.com/class/resul...hcategory=1410 (currently on page 3)

Is this a known car? Sorry if this is a repost about this car as I was unable to find any other posts about it.

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I believe, but not sure, this is a fellow from Colorado who owns this car. Don't recall his name.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ite/eeb6_3.jpg

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If it's an auto why is there a stick on the floor? And whats the meaning of the II?

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I can't get the photos to upload from the ad. Auto sticks were standard with the '70 sYc Deuces when the automatic (TH400) tranny was ordered. They look deceptively liked a four speed shifter!

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LOOKS KILLER TO ME LOVE THE COLOR

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This is being sold by a dealer. Here is the link to their site with pictures you can download.

VIN = 114270W354665

YENKO DUCE NOVA #354665

Greg

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Nice Car! Love to have it!

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I know I will be showing my ignorance, but is this where these cars are really at? Agreed, they can hold their own performance wise, but I just have a tough time wraping my head around a $150k small block Nova.

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It's a Cliff Peck sold car. Peck had most likley three deuces. This blue auto, my red 4 spd, and we think a silver car that was dealer traded to Johnny Londell, and wrecked. We did the resto probably 6-7 years ago. I'd be glad to tell anyone what we know if they want to PM me. It was a very solid piece. The motor is a correct dated Corvette LT/1. I believe the original owner was found, and I have the add from the Ark. Democrat, with the blue, and red deuces listed.
I have pics somewhere of both my red deuce and this one together. Reunited after all those years in IA.

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Hello,

There are some pics from the 2005 National Nostalgic Nova Nationals on my site. Click the pictures for a larger image.

Click here for the Supercar pics from the 2005 Nova Nationals

Greg

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Cool pics. That was a very good nats. That blue deuce is the Ericksen sold, Cronkleton deuce. Very nice shot of Miss Helen.

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I believe they sold one at BJ some time ago for 110000 and said it was a rebody.Was Silver. Sold new at Central Motors in Hamilton, Ohio. Registary #87

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I can't get the photos to upload from the ad. Auto sticks were standard with the '70 sYc Deuces when the automatic (TH400) tranny was ordered. They look deceptively liked a four speed shifter!

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Are they a ratchet shifter? Or just gated, perhaps??

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They are gated at an odd angle. Takes a while to get on to the pattern. The shifter handle does look like a comp plus 4 spd handle. Sometimes you need to check the floor for pedals.
The silver deuce was proven to be a rebody. It was long suspected to be. It was disassembled, and the hidden vin had been welded in. It did go through the auction last year and even though it was called a reboby , went for I believe, 125k.

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$150k for a SB Yenko Nova is in line with the market, the high water mark is probably around $200k +/-.

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$150k for a SB Yenko Nova is in line with the market, the high water mark is probably around $200k +/-.

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I'll just have to wait 'till no one wants 'em anymore to get one. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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No need to wait, sell that other silver car, and all those parts, and.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif We'll get you into one!

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No need to wait, sell that other silver car, and all those parts, and.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif We'll get you into one!

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Okay... I'll trade the Vette and Nova for a 4-speed Deuce. Sign me up! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Is this car a dated coded car or does it have the original numbers matching motor, block, trans and rear to the car?
What is a numbers matching car worth today versus a date coded correct car?

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$150k for a SB Yenko Nova is in line with the market, the high water mark is probably around $200k +/-.

[/ QUOTE ]Thats COPO money Marlin. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Is this car a dated coded car or does it have the original numbers matching motor, block, trans and rear to the car?
What is a numbers matching car worth today versus a date coded correct car?

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There was no original drive line components in it. The motor was right on date wise. Perfect other than the suffix code was for a Corvette.Rear was a 12 bolt 4.10, but not a CBW. Trans was a T400 but I don't remember what the code was. All parts were supplied by the owner at the time.

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$150k for a SB Yenko Nova is in line with the market, the high water mark is probably around $200k +/-.

[/ QUOTE ]Thats COPO money Marlin. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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The '70 Y-Novas just happen to be COPO cars! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

Just bustin' your chops, Sammy...

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Well I knew that was coming! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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A SB Yenko Nova is a COPO!

A vette and a BB Nova is enough to get you into a project deuce, I'll keep my eye open.

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A SB Yenko Nova is a COPO!

A vette and a BB Nova is enough to get you into a project deuce, I'll keep my eye open.

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Yes, a Yenko Deuce is a COPO 9010 car. It can also have other COPO options added.

COPO engine code:
CTB = 4-speed, CTC = automatic

9010 350/360hp "LT-1" engine - This deleted RPO L65 and added the same engine as used in the Z/28 Camaro

9737 Sports Car Conversion - This deleted F40 and M-20, and added the F-41 suspension (which included the addition of a 13/16" front sway bar and added a rear sway bar, and was originally an SS only option), either the M-21 or 400 Turbo-Hydramatic transmission, and a special heat-treated ring and pinion.

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A side note on what some of us original owners thought we had when we bought deuces. I thought that mine had a Corvette LT/1. Reason being, that's how Don advertised the car. "Corvette type motor". Nothing ever referenced Z28. Not that it made any difference other than I thought it was a Vette motor.
When we started to look for a correct motor for Cronkleton's deuce we looked for a Corvette blk, as we still thought that's what they were.(This was a very long time ago). It wasn't until I met Marlin that I found out that it was coded for a Z28.Don also claimed on his brochure that it came with a 800cfm Holley. I've always wondered if some of this was an intent to do as a modification that never happened, or a mild misrepresentation.

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Sounds like some salesmanship was used bu ol' Don. But you know, the Z28 with the LT1 was not as established since Z28 to a lot of people still drew thoughts of the DZ motors. I would have done the same thing from a marketing standpoint.

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So guys ... what is a numbers matching driveline restored Deuce worth in today's market?

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So guys ... what is a numbers matching driveline restored Deuce worth in today's market?

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$150k for a SB Yenko Nova is in line with the market, the high water mark is probably around $200k +/-.

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I agree with Marlin, and Joe. With some difference depending on rarity of color, and auto vrs 4spd.

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How can this guy claim numbers matching when the complete driveline has been replaced? Am I missing something?
Is a 4 speed worth more than and automatic?

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Over the years, the meaning of "numbers matching" has evolved with cleverly worded ads to include correct casting numbers and date codes, or restamped components. "Born with drivetrain" is now catching on to better describe the original drivetrain that was installed in the car by the factory.

4 speeds are certainly more desireable to most and hence are more valuable. I would say 15% - 20% more value for a four speed and a much faster sale all things being equal.

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How can this guy claim numbers matching when the complete driveline has been replaced? Am I missing something?
Is a 4 speed worth more than and automatic?

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I can not address this gentlemans truthfulness, nor lack of it. I would say that the last we saw it, it was not a nbrs matching/born with drive line car. What has happened since then, I can't say.

I agree with the 15-20% difference between auto, and 4 spd.

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How can this guy claim numbers matching when the complete driveline has been replaced? Am I missing something?
Is a 4 speed worth more than and automatic?

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I had to check my database to determine which car this is, it has quite the history. I saw this car when it was unrestored and still in CT, as follows:

This car spent its early life in Arkansas, and we later learned that it was sold new at Peck Chev in Little Rock. It had a variety of colorful owners while in AR, and eventually migrated to CT with a collector. This collector offered the car to a local enthusiast with a condition that the enthusiast pay $x, restore the car, then they would split the money received that was in excess of $y. The enthusiast was considering it, but needed to know the if the current market value at that time would even exceed $y.

I was on my way to CT in a few days, and ironically received a call from this enthusiast. I needed to negotiate the final details of a corp acquisition, but made time to see the car the night before. I was surprised at what I found, and told the enthusiast the real truth. The owner called while I was under the car, and once he was told about what I thought he promptly replied that I knew nothing about what I was talking about and hung up!

This car had nice sheetmetal, as it appeared to have been replaced and was actually a decent job. There was a recent repaint but it was poor, a lot of dirt, rough patches, tiger stripes, etc.. It was the wrong shade of blue, and it had black stripes installed. The floors were decent, and the frame was ok. It was essentially the start of an amateur resto. That's the good part.

The inerior was a mismatch of deluxe '70 door panels, wrong seats, and a '73 dash pad. There was no engine, but a 'vette LT1 was sitting on a stand nearby - I don't recall the dates. There was no transmission, it was supposedly installed in a van but that was not confirmed. The rear was incorrect, but it was a 12 bolt. There were many small incorrect items, but most of it was just simply missing - no fuel lines, no clips/bolts/brackets, etc... As you know there is a lot of money in the detail items.

My advice to this enthusiast was to 'run'. There was no way he could pay the asking price, dump money into it and get enough profit whereby his 50% share would even remotely cover his resto costs and his buy price. He did exactly that, and sent the car back to the owner.

What is has now in terms of '#'s matching' is open to interpretation.

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DEUCE Police - on the scene! Good info Marlin!

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I agree...Wow!

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9737 Sports Car Conversion - This deleted F40 and M-20, and added the F-41 suspension (which included the addition of a 13/16" front sway bar and added a rear sway bar, and was originally an SS only option), either the M-21 or 400 Turbo-Hydramatic transmission, and a special heat-treated ring and pinion.

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Marlin and I will always agree to disagree on this point. My COPO came with a M20. Original owner says so and so does Dave Mathers, who ordered both COPO cars. In ALL other Canadian COPO's, whether it be a Camaro or a Chevelle, what ever tranny was ordered on the GM of Canada sheets, that tranny was never deleted like the L78 was.I believe the sports car conversion also deleted the 6 inch wheels, that would have come on a small block car and added 7 inch wheels.
Peter https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif
PS Excellent report Marlin!

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Yep, Pete and I agree to just shake hands and leave it be https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Did the Auto/Stick shifter in the TH400 Deuces use the bolt-on stick or the welded-on version? Thanks, BCD.

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