Motion Nova????
 

I can't understand why this car hasn't been bought. It seems like the real deal? Why won't Joel tell what cars he converted. All the yenko numbers are published?

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=212785

Re: Motion Nova????
 

Probably hasn't sold because the seller keeps talking about his letter from Joel but won't say what the letter states.

That's like saying, &quot;I got a letter from the IRS this year&quot;. Buy it from me and I'll tell you what it says. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img] It could be a refund check or a notification that you're being audited.

Joel gets paid to document his cars. You don't just &quot;call him up&quot; for info, like the seller keeps telling people to do. You would have to pay him for his response, positive or negative. It would be the same fee you'd pay if you owned the car and was documenting whether it was an original Motion built car or a later modified car, or a clone.

Re: Motion Nova????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't understand why this car hasn't been bought....... </div></div>


the seller has a Masters degree in vague. (Magna Cum Laude)


*very glad we have the posted price rule in our classifieds, and courteous members that post pictures of the actual car [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Re: Motion Nova????
 

Masters degree in b.s .Don,t even waste your time or $$$$ on this guy ....

Re: Motion Nova????
 

I'll come out of retirement to comment on this... This Dan P. guy is the biggest talker with no backup I've ever seen over the years.. And I mean YEARS.. According to him nobody knows more about this stuff but reality is there are many that do. .. Everything is &quot;I have this I have that&quot; &quot;I seen this I seen that&quot; &quot;I know this guy blah blah&quot; &quot;I have pictures of.. blah blah blah...&quot; and it's always an excuse when visual proof is asked for.. always. I'm sure if you asked Joel about this guy and this car he would cough..and smile...
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Ed
55Chevy

Re: Motion Nova????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: x Baldwin Motion</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't understand why this car hasn't been bought....... </div></div>


the seller has a Masters degree in vague. (Magna Cum Laude)


*very glad we have the posted price rule in our classifieds, and courteous members that post pictures of the actual car [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img] </div></div> I havent seen any pics of this &quot;So called Nova&quot; anyone have any to post ?????

Re: Motion Nova????
 

This is the same guy who lists a BV rear end as a COPO rear end trying to swinidle some unsuspecting buyer into it.

http://southjersey.craigslist.org/pts/3345554600.html


Here is his L78 Nova ad on craislist.

http://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/3345104932.html

Re: Motion Nova????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 55chevy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll come out of retirement to comment on this... This Dan P. guy is the biggest talker with no backup I've ever seen over the years.. And I mean YEARS.. According to him nobody knows more about this stuff but reality is there are many that do. .. Everything is &quot;I have this I have that&quot; &quot;I seen this I seen that&quot; &quot;I know this guy blah blah&quot; &quot;I have pictures of.. blah blah blah...&quot; and it's always an excuse when visual proof is asked for.. always.
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Ed
55Chevy

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I know someone like that in se Michigan, Terry O'Kxxxx

I went to high school with him and he has just gotten worse over the years.

IF he actually has a car it is a shadow of what it once was (read rusted into the ground or PART of a car) yet he wants what a fully restored NICE car goes for for his pos

I guess they are all over [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]

edit: I just read the cl post for a 68 Nova, wow! anyone know what &quot;cowel&quot; means? &lt;wink&gt;

The cl ad talks more about stuff he owned 30 years ago than it does about some Chevy II with the wrong engine ... lots of !!!!! and all caps with no space between the sentences. Very hard to read IMHO

Re: Motion Nova????
 

Wow…. I talk with Dan from time to time he is a 68 Nova guy like me. All my experiences with him over the phone have been good. I never dealt with him in person. He had told me about the car years ago and didn’t realize he was trying to sell it until recently.

I don’t follow the Baldwin Motion screen and didn’t realize you had to pay for proof that they converted a car. So it all comes down to what Joel says in a letter that states: Motion actually did modify or convert a certain car when you have no original paper work? Is that how it works?

When a car is certified by Joel does it come with any sort of certification of what work was done for the original owner of the car? If you don’t know who the original owner was?

The way I understand it is:
A bullet proof motion car is a receipt of what work was done to a certain car from motion to the original owner? Just trying to understand this correctly?

Guys I am not looking to bad mouth anyone just wondering if this could be the real deal. If it is, it is way out of my league anyway. It would truly be a very unique find.

For some odd reason the 68 nova just don’t get the creditability they deserve. In 1968 they had multiple limited production motor option nova’s. Most of them were bought to get raced and abused. But they just don’t seem to hold their ground for value. It seems that way for most of the 1968 GM cars.
Just my 2 cents sorry to bring up a negative subject..

Re: Motion Nova????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Craigslist Ad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">SUPER RARE BIG BLOCK NOVA SS FACTORY DESIREABLE 4 SPEED-410 POSI - $35000 (PROFRSSIONAL FRAME OFF-CALIFORNIA CAR!)

THIS IS A SUPER RARE CAR THAT GM MADE BACK IN 1968!THIS WAS THE DESIREABLE FACTORY 4 SPEED CAR WHICH GM SOLD 617 OF.FACTORY Ll78'S WITH 4 SPEEDS SOLD WERE THE CAR OF CHOICE NOW AND BACK IN 1969/1968!THIS IS THE &quot;ONLY&quot; 1968 CHEVY II NOVA SS396/375HP 4 SPEED STREET/STRIP 410 GEAR CAR THAT SURVIVED WITH ITS CALIFORNIA BLACK LICENSE PLATES!! THEY WERE PUT ON THIS CAR WHEN IT SOLD NEW AT CHASE CHEVROLET IN STOCKTON CALIFORNIA.I HAVE CALIFORNIA DOCS TO BACK THIS UP WITH THESE CBLP'S! I ALSO HAVE CALIFORNIA OWNERSHIP DOCS! I HAVE THE ORIGINAL BUILD SHEET WITH OPTION CODES.CAR WAS BUILT ON 7/11/1968 BY BUILD SHEET.CAR IS 07B ON COWEL TAG---TR 740 BLUE CUSTOM BUCKET SEAT INTERIOR---PNT L L 1968 COLOR ONLY TEAL BLUE!THE ORIGINAL L78 396/375HP BLOCK IS IN A 1969 CORVETTE IN STOCKTON CALIFORNIA.I BUILT A CUSTOM BUILT HAND PICKED PARTS 427 L88 GM ALUMINUM HEAD MOTOR THAT WAS BALANCED ALONG WITH THE FLYWHEEL,3 FINGER BORG/BECK PRESSURE AND CLUTCH SET UP.MOTOR NEVER RUNS HOTTER THEN 190 EVEN ON THE HOTTEST DAYS AND HOLDS A CONSTANT 45LBS OF OIL PRESSURE AT IDLE.THIS IS ONE OF THE VERY VERY FEW &quot;BORN WITH GM SHEETMETAL GM PANEL 1968 NOVA SS396 CARS&quot;.I DID DETAILED PHOTOGRAPH DOCUMENTATION BEFORE I HAD THE CAR PROFESSIONALLY RESTORED IN PA.CAR GETS CONSTANT THUMBS UP AND SMILES FROM ON LOOKERS EVERYTIME OUT!! VERY FEW OF THESE 4 SPEED 1968 NOVA SS396 CARS SURVIVED AND THIS IS 1 OF 3 KNOWN SPECIAL FACTORY ORDERED 410 GEAR POSI CARS SAME GEAR RATIO GM PICKED FOR THE 1969 COPO 427/425HP CAMAROS!IF YOU DO NOT KNOW 68 SS396 NOVAS BRING YOUR EXPERTS TO DO YOUR INSPECTION.YOU MAY ALSO BRING YOUR 396 427 EXPERT MECHANICS TO INSPECT THIS AWESOME 427 L88 BUILT WITH A MECHANICAL CAM 630 LIFT!THIS CAR SOUNDS SOOOOOOO FREAKING GOOD!! I'M 55 YEARS YOUNG AND INTO 396 427 CAMARO AND NOVA SS CARS SINCE 1974 THATS OVER 38 YEARS AGO.I OWNED A 1969 COPO 427/425HP M22 410 CAMARO BACK IN 1975.IN 1979 IT BECAME &quot;THE BLUE MULE&quot; WHICH HAS A LONG THREAD ON YENKO.NET SITE.KEN S FROM IOWA RESTORED THAT CAR.THAT CAR WAS 353005 BDY X-11 OPTIONED MALCHOM KONNERS CHEVROLET PARAMUS NJ.IT IS ONE OF THE RAREST OPTIONED COPOS FOUND BECAUSE ITS THE &quot;ONLY&quot; ONE WITH A DELUXE BLUE COMFORTWEAVE INTERIOR TO BE FOUND.IT LOOKS AWESOME WITH THE FACTORY LEMANS BLUE PAINT THE CAR CAME WITH.YOU WANT A CAR VERY VERY VERY FEW HAVE SEEN HERES YOUR CHANCE!! I HAVE ALL RECEIPTS ON ENGINE PARTS AND WORK AT THE KNOWN MACHINE SHOP I TOOK IT TO IN ALLENTOWN PA.I HAVE A HIDDEN CD PLAYER TO PLAY YOUR ROCK AND ROLL MUSIC WHILE GOING THRU THE GEARS IN THIS BADASS NOVA!!I'M HOME MOST OF THE TIME.CALL MY LANDLINE AT{TWO ONE FIVE--FIVE THREE SIX--SEVEN SEVEN THREE ZERO}ASK FOR DAN,THANKS!+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++SEARCH WORDS nova chevyII chevy2 chevelle 427 SS camaro L88 corvette L79 L78 L48 L72 LS6 Muncie 4 speed M22 M21 12 Bolt BE BV 410 Rear Cragar SS Mags Ansen Slots Vertex mag cable tach N50 tires Delco Super Lift air shocks NMW tow tabs tow bar Wallace Chevrolet Linden NJ Lakewood traction bars

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http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...55427/DanP.jpg

Re: Motion Nova????
 

It might or might not be a real car but the seller is not allowed on this site so can we keep the comments on camaros.net where is is allowed to post ? No need to be making fun of someone on here especially when he has no way to defend himself here.

Re: Motion Nova????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 55chevy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll come out of retirement to comment on this...

Ed
55Chevy

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Son of a gun.... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

Re: Motion Nova????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DarrenX33</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 55chevy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll come out of retirement to comment on this...

Ed
55Chevy

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Son of a gun.... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] </div></div>

Hey D. What's shakin man? Hope you are doing well [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

Re: Motion Nova????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 55chevy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DarrenX33</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 55chevy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll come out of retirement to comment on this...

Ed
55Chevy

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Son of a gun.... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] </div></div>

Hey D. What's shakin man? Hope you are doing well [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]</div></div>

You to buddy. Nice to see you still around.

Re: Motion Nova????
 

Don't know anything about Dan P.'s personal cars but I do know he finds some really rare and desireable race cars and musclecars in the NY and NJ area. Finds some really interesting drag cars of the past.

Re: Motion Nova????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It might or might not be a real car but <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #990000">the seller is not allowed on this site</span></span> so can we keep the comments on camaros.net where is is allowed to post ? No need to be making fun of someone on here especially when he has no way to defend himself here. </div></div>

that was my guess ...

It seemed odd that it was on the Camaro site as well, aren't there Nova sites that would be a better place for it (as opposed to Team Camaro ... ) ?

Re: Motion Nova????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: al8apex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

It seemed odd that it was on the Camaro site as well, aren't there Nova sites that would be a better place for it (as opposed to Team Camaro ... ) ? </div></div>

I used to post on Steves Nova site until I put &quot;sucks&quot; in a post. They edited it three times (putting asterisks, deleting the word, then the sentence, and finally removed the entire post. When I inquired why they dumped the entire post (on topic with no other &quot;questionable&quot; words) a woman mod informed me that &quot;children read these forums&quot;. So in the face of that, I just quietly left. So judging on what I've seen posted here if he got booted from here he wouldn't last one post over there(or didn't as the case may be)..

Re: Motion Nova????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It might or might not be a real car but the seller is not allowed on this site so can we keep the comments on camaros.net where is is allowed to post ? No need to be making fun of someone on here especially when he has no way to defend himself here. </div></div>

I don't know if the car is the real deal or not. I've talked to Dan on a few occasions and he was always decent to me. I can't really say anything bad of him either way.
I do however think he goes through alot of time and aggrevation to push this car as a &quot;real deal Motion Nova&quot; if it isn't one. The cars provenance and his credibility have been under speculation for so long its almost sad. I know he has ruffled alot of feathers in the hobby and theres quite a few people that don't care for him. To each their own I guess. It just seems odd to me that after all the abuse the guy has taken over this car that if it were indeed a phony why not stop advertising it?? Something makes him completely believe its real. As for the Joel Rosen letter he has , I do remember him telling me about it and Joel could not completely say YES IT IS A MOTION CAR or No it isnt a Motion car. It was plainly VAGUE at best. If beyond a shadow of a doubt that it wasn't a Motion Car why wouldn't Joel just tell Dan that and save him from public humiliation? I'm not completely sure but I think Dan paid Joel the &quot;documentaion fee&quot; and got a maybe. In my opion, I think someone else should buy this car ignoring the fact it it may or may not be a Motion Car and have all the research and paperwork done themselves and see what answer comes back. It would be nice to see one way or another if its real or just a 68 Nova with some peculiar mods done to it. Either way its still a pretty cool 68 NOVA

Re: Motion Nova????
 

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Agreed and well said. This is my understanding too. From what Dan has told me, he has a maybe letter. Why would Joel say it may be the <span style="font-weight: bold">Only</span> 68 Nova he converted or it may not be? He left the door wide open for a future owner. From a 68 Nova enthusiast this would be King Chicken Lip himself. (1 of 1...)
If anything it would be the only Sequoia green white vinyl top L48 Super sport car I know of with a bunch of options.

Re: Motion Nova????
 

Then he should have just said he has a &quot;Maybe&quot; letter. If Joel doesn't have any record of the car and isn't sure if he built it he is doing the right thing by not documenting it. Since he also does not have proof that it isn't a real Motion car he is also doing the right thing by not saying it &quot;isn't&quot;. If he were to say it &quot;isn't&quot; and later it was proved wrong by paperwork etc showing up he might have somebody go after him for devaluing their car wrongly. Others are making that same mistake now. Dan isn't doing himself any favors by keeping the &quot;maybe&quot; letter secret. It only makes people suspicious

Re: Motion Nova????
 

Well after looking back in emails Dans &quot;maybe&quot; letter is from April 2003 i dont have a copy of it or Id post it. At one point Dan talked with Stanley Noren a former Motion mechanic and he remembered the 68 nova and is owner Freddy Calas quite well. I can not nor will I be the responsibe party for saying its real or not. However seems kinda sad if it is fake that Dans wasting time on it dont ya think? Hes gone under alot of speculation and been banned from several site over his desire to elieve this car is indeed real . Only Joel Rosen knows the truth. Id like this issue to be put to bed one way or another

Re: Motion Nova????
 

Why dont a few of the Motion gurus put their differences aside with Dan for the sake of the hobby and better understanding of Motion vehicles and for everyones knowledge and help find out the truth. It would benefit all of us that are Motion fans and would lay waste to any doubt of the car moving forward. Im just saying!

Re: Motion Nova????
 

We have not said it is fake and that is not why he is not here. &quot;Only Joel Rosen knows the truth&quot; ? Joel obviously does not know and has said so. Unless Dan comes up with some kind of paperwork it will continue to be a &quot;maybe&quot; car. I don't think anyone's differences with Dan have anything to do with the fact that there is no documentation on the car.

Re: Motion Nova????
 

Charley, Im not saying anyone here per se is calling it a fake but the overall community consenus is that because lacking paperwork its a fake. In my eyes, given I had the money to buy it with the 427 , I'd beat the hell out of it!!! Just because of the aggrevation and ridicule from others (Syc excluded)that it caused one man. This car as it sits is worth no more than it was new. Sadly, maybe someone out there knows the truth. Maybe a builder or a buyer knows more about this particular car than Dan does. His price seems ok if its real. I would beat it like a running mule!!!!!! Then everyone would say &quot; Oh My God why are you doing that&quot; This is a double edged sword that has cut Dan and made him look bad. My approach is, If anyone out there knows beyond a reasonable doubt that this car is INDEED a fake speak up with the proof. If not ,forever hold your piece and let the man sell his car!! A 68 Nova is an awesome car!! An SS 427 68 Nova is one hell of a ride!! Help him figure it out one way or another! I know of a few collectors that had to take legal action against Joel to prove the provenance of their Motion cars. Should Dan go that route???? Lets hope not.I don't give a rats a$$ if its real or not but when provenance keeps a &quot;Car Guy&quot; from enjoying his car, What is this hobby really worth?? To all MOTION Super Car Gurus and Joel and anyone that may know, Lets put this to bed!!! Its gone on for far too long turned a car guy into a bad guy ( I applaud Dan for standing up for what he believes , Right , Wrong or Indifferent) Its time to either kill the Unicorn for being fake or prove to the world its real. Why is it that people have to fight about this?? If he's wrong prove him so. If hes right help him document it. I absolutely hate how the Car Community can treat a person. Me, my wife and our committee hold a Car Cruise every year to help a family. My son had a stroke at birth and almost died. I try to help a family going through a hardship like we went through and let me tell you some of the people in this hobby are greedy, self indulging worms. They would rather point fingers and say whats wrong with one another cars than help each other and let the knowledge flourish. I hope before my son is old enough to truely appreciate cars this attitude changes. If not, Ill have him follow Joel Rosen and appreciate plastic model airplanes and Naval ships. Maybe he would be better off in the Mini Bike community where theres less staring down ones nose at someone and everyone appreciates each other. Nevertheless, how can anyone question Dan unless they have the hard cold proof his car is BS??? He does however have a &quot;Maybe&quot; letter but thats worth no more than the paper its printed or the information contained therein or maybe the signature at the bottom. Just my 2 cents.

Re: Motion Nova????
 

Dan has a car with no paperwork or proof so what is there to prove ? You want someone to prove it is a fake ? The community is keeping him from enjoying his car ? How ? He can build it and enjoy it as is but instead he has been trying to unload it. We have to certify his car why ? So he can unload it for more ? I'm glad he found it and maybe some day some paperwork will pop up but until it does I don't see why you feel the community needs to jump thru hoops trying to find a needle in a haystack to help Dan sell his car. Has he gotten Notarized letters from anyone that says they remember the car ? Anything like that ? We don't know because he is misleading in his ad. He says in his ad he has a letter from Joel. That infers it is documented by Joel but apparently it is a maybe letter. Don't you think that was misleading in his ad ? You want us to jump thru hoops for someone that is purposefully misleading us in his ad ? I'm sure Dan has done more research and turned over more rocks looking for proof than most of us could. I think if any of us had info that would shed light on his car we would be glad to help. Anyone else with different motives but had proof would have already bought it from Dan. Make sense ?

Re: Motion Nova????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dan has a car with no paperwork or proof so what is there to prove ? You want someone to prove it is a fake ? The community is keeping him from enjoying his car ? How ? He can build it and enjoy it as is but instead he has been trying to unload it. We have to certify his car why ? So he can unload it for more ? I'm glad he found it and maybe some day some paperwork will pop up but until it does I don't see why you feel the community needs to jump thru hoops trying to find a needle in a haystack to help Dan sell his car. Has he gotten Notarized letters from anyone that says they remember the car ? Anything like that ? We don't know because he is misleading in his ad. He says in his ad he has a letter from Joel. That infers it is documented by Joel but apparently it is a maybe letter. Don't you think that was misleading in his ad ? You want us to jump thru hoops for someone that is purposefully misleading us in his ad ? I'm sure Dan has done more research and turned over more rocks looking for proof than most of us could. I think if any of us had info that would shed light on his car we would be glad to help. Anyone else with different motives but had proof would have already bought it from Dan. Make sense ? </div></div>
Charley, I agree with what you are saying and it makes sense. I didnt mean to make it sound like I think people should jump through hoops for Dan. All I'm trying to say is, I don't understand why, but Dan has stood behind this car under mass scrutiny for some reason. He has taken more verbal abuse than anyone else over a car that may be or may not be real. He sent me an email of the letter from Joel and it is vague at best. His ad is misleading and does imply that he has a letter of documentation and would most definitely lead someone to think that Joel gave it his blessing, when in fact he basically said &quot;I do not know&quot;. Theres a bunch of other drama over this car reguarding phone calls from collectors,so on and so forth that Dan has gone through. All I'm trying to say is for the cars sake it would be nice to have this all put to bed. It has gone on for so long. Dan says he has an NICB report for the car. I never looked at that. I'm not trying to make anyone mad nor do I want to be in the middle of some crazed dispute like in the past. I would just like to know what the car is or isn't and if someone buys it I hope they try to figure it out. As far as what I said about &quot;keeping Dan from enjoying his car&quot; what I meant was all the scrutiny and &quot;fog&quot; around it when he brings it up, How could anyone enjoy it with so much drama.If I were him, and the car was in fact beyond a shadow of a doubt real, theres no way after all the bs I could enjoy it. Does that make sense?? Maybe Dan should put it together and give it a good beating just because. Maybe, If Dan wants to, he can send one of us a pic of his letter from Joel (both pages) and we could post if for everyone to see. For me, I couldn't care how much money he gets out of that car one way or another and I'm not asking anyone to help him for monetary gain. All I meant was just to prove one way or another what the car is. I do agree if the provenance was there this car would be in someone elses collection.

Re: Motion Nova????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Dan says he has an NICB report for the car. .
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seriously, like the letter?

well...... is the car from Baldwin or not? (that shouldn't be a vague answer)


I feel bad for this car owner if he has a real car but no pictures, no docs, not a shred of evidence that this is the only known 68 1/2 BM Nova, and he has had it for several years and it has been talked about for nearly as long, yet nobody knows about a bit of its history.

Re: Motion Nova????
 

A few bits of info below that i have received in the last 30 days about the car.

NICB report back in 2002 says dealer 39327 (pic of the letter is a little fuzzy) but i believe this is correct or very close - and it seems from the email that kevin sudan did the nicb on the car and sent it to dan.

So the question is - is dealer 39327 Baldwin or a local dealer in the area?

Dan does have a good amount of data that strongly supports that it &quot;could be&quot; the car...i believe that data needs to be well organised, authenticated and re-presented to Joel - remember, alot of additional research he did was after the Joel letter in 2003 - which says it is a maybe car - and Joel has no documention in his files to support anything else other than - maybe it is, but he does not have any data to certify it is, period!

It would be good if a group of serious motion experts from the hobby could help, relooking at the data he has and compiling it accordingly to either put the car in the pedigree it deserves or NOT.

Re: Motion Nova????
 

Baldwin Chevy NY was Zone # 27, Dealer # 19.
Zone # 39 was usually dealers in S/W States like Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico etc.

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~ Pete

Re: Motion Nova????
 

not sure what you provided to what i have available ..ill confirm the info to be sure im reading the copy of the letter correctly

Re: Motion Nova????
 

In the other thread, my camaro came back as Zone 27, dealer 079, Curry Chevrolet. &quot;Dealer 27079&quot;
I would think all New York dealers in that area would be zone 27?

RichPern

Re: Motion Nova????
 

According to Dan, his Nova came back 35-327...Wallace Chev in Linden NJ &amp; Fredy Calas lived in Elizibeth NJ, about 44 mi from Baldwin Chev [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif[/img]

Re: Motion Nova????
 

I can confirm the above and correction to my previous email - just received this from dan ....

Kevin Suydams email. Its 35-327 Wallace Chevrolet Linden NJ. 35='s Newark NJ zone. Anyway the original owner Fredy Calas lived the next town over in Elizabeth NJ on Jersey Street off Broad street. Elizabeth/Linden were approx 44 road miles to Baldwin Long Island where Motion was

Re: Motion Nova????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: enio45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Elizabeth/Linden were approx 44 road miles to Baldwin Long Island where Motion was </div></div>

That's about a two and a half hour drive at any time other than Christmas morning at around 3 AM.

Re: Motion Nova????
 

The ZLX was sold in TN and made it's way to Long Island. Back in the day when gas was cheap nobody cared about driving...I'd go to Ocean City, MD to spend one night, with 15 min notice &amp; enough money for a 12 pack and smokes.
Seems logical the either Rich's Camaro or Dan's Nova could have gone thru Joel's shop. Also logical to think that not all the Motion conversion cars were sold just from Baldwin Chev.

Re: Motion Nova????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: enio45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can confirm the above and correction to my previous email - just received this from dan ....

Kevin Suydams email. Its 35-327 Wallace Chevrolet Linden NJ. 35='s Newark NJ zone. Anyway the original owner Fredy Calas lived the next town over in Elizabeth NJ on Jersey Street off Broad street. Elizabeth/Linden were approx 44 road miles to Baldwin Long Island where Motion was </div></div>wouldn't Joel remember the name Freddy Calais or any old time Newark street racers who might still be alive remember Freddy's car.you'd think the motion mechanic would help vouch for it?

Re: Motion Nova????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: enio45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can confirm the above and correction to my previous email - just received this from dan ....

Kevin Suydams email. Its 35-327 Wallace Chevrolet Linden NJ. 35='s Newark NJ zone. Anyway the original owner Fredy Calas lived the next town over in Elizabeth NJ on Jersey Street off Broad street. Elizabeth/Linden were approx 44 road miles to Baldwin Long Island where Motion was </div></div>wouldn't Joel remember the name Freddy Calais or any old time Newark street racers who might still be alive remember Freddy's car.you'd think the motion mechanic would help vouch for it? </div></div>

I *think* I remember the last time I was on the phone with Dan, about a month ago, that he did actually get in touch with the mechanic and that he remembered the\a car. Can't remember if it was from a description or a photo or the details or if Dan was able to meet up with him. I'll email Dan and see.

Is Dan permanatly banned? It would be better to hear it all from him. We can all be a little off from time to time, especially me.

RichPern

Re: Motion Nova????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: njsteve</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: enio45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Elizabeth/Linden were approx 44 road miles to Baldwin Long Island where Motion was </div></div>

That's about a two and a half hour drive at any time other than Christmas morning at around 3 AM. </div></div>

Even in the 70's that was not a hop skip and a jump of a ride. The connecting highway was considered a great distance for driving. (about half hour/ 25 miles from Baldwin)
I don't recall anyone &quot;cruising&quot; to Jersey. However, I can't speak for the Jersey boys, they may have had no speed shops?! locally??!!

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Lots of speed shops here back in the day. My mechanic buddy Al, was a dealership mechanic in Newark back in the day and still remembers a lot of the cars that were around back then...and still are.

I have a lot of receipts from this place that go with my hemi charger.

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/use...seyspeedad.jpg

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Central Jersey is still in business. I was just there about 3 weeks ago, I needed new flywheel bolts for a small block chevy project. They are one of the last true speed shops around, step inside and it's like walking back in time ! They have a wall there with equipment, trophies, tools, parts and gauges from the fifties and sixties...a true time warp.