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Photo of 68 Camaro's at Kenny Ross Chevrolet ?
Mr. Tom Billigen posted a photo of the dealership lot of Kenny Ross Chevrolet in this thread, "1968 Yenko Copo Camaro / Non Converted Car". This thread was back in 12-31-03 - 1-4-04, and the post numbers are 10403, 10404, 10405, and more post. Some persons involved in this conversation were JoeC and CamaroJoe. There was a link to this photo, but is now dead or gone.
From the description given of this photo, it has the Corvette Bronze unconverted car that Mr. Billigen bought, plus six or eight more copo's or L78's, Yenko's, etc. If anyone has a copy of this photo, or knows how to access it, please reply. I know of several people including myself that have not seen this photo, but would like to. Thanks, Bryan |
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Tom passed away some years ago [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif[/img]
Ed Montini-you got your ears on? If anyone has this pic, you will! |
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Hopefully someone has a better one but here's a poor copy of the pic I had saved. Welcome aboard Bryan! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete RIP Tom B. - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...8122-image.jpg - |
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thanks bruce, ill have to look for it - i believe i have his wife email that she probably still has the file
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Kenny Ross is where I bought my first new Camaro in 1989 when I graduated college. Even got a jar of Aunt Penny's Elderberry Jelly [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]
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Ah yes, Aunt P's jelly. I remember their commercials well. What college did you graduate from?
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Sam, graduated from Penn State.
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I was helping Tom research the car
As far as we can tell it was some type of dealer trade with Yenko Chev We think only Yenko received the 1968 COPO 9737 L78 Camaros and had some unconverted ones late in the model year |
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So I assume the NCRS shows Yenko as the dealer and it has the MM tag?
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yes, ncrs doc shows yenko chev as the delivery dealer....i posted the doc on the site here somewhere several yrs ago
yes it has the MM cowl tag |
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Thanks Pete and Eddie! I don't know how this photo didn't work on that thread, but I'm happy to see it. Thanks for the efforts!
Bryan |
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Thought this may be a better place to land the below ads as they're kind of lost over in the Old Newspaper thread. First ad from Sept. 8/68 shows 15 x '68 Copo 9737 cars w/ HD options including 1-1/16" Frt. Sway bar and 140 Speedo, note color breakdown also most cars unconverted...one w/ L78 gone and L35 transplant? Next ad is a week later Sept/15 and down to 5 x "HiPo" '68's left, this timeline seems to fit nicely w/ the Dealer Trade to Kenny Ross where Tom B. RIP bought his unconverted car new? Last ad is end of Oct/68 and still 4 x '68 cars left to advertise plus 1 x '68 Stinger...when did Yenko start receiving the '69 Copo cars also what was '68 Stinger production, only 2 built? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...9130-image.jpg - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...9131-image.jpg - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...9142-image.jpg - |
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Whoo-hooo, that's awesome, I've been wanting to see a copy of those ads, thanks Pete!
Now I have a few questions. 1. on the first page, Would the Island Teal car be considered an unconverted car also, to go along with Eddie's green car and the five Corvette Bronze cars? Does anyone know or suspect if this Island Teal car was converted? 2. The 325hp ash gold car, 400 turbo, 140 speedo! Was this a 9737 car? 3. The 425hp, ash gold car, specified as Yenko, 400 turbo. Was this a prototype or experiment? Was this car considered part of the 64 cars? 4. Has anyone noticed or compared the front steering components mentioned in the first paragraph on their cars to reflect this statement. The 1-1/16 stab. bar is known, but has anyone noticed the str. knuckles or pitman arm, etc., to be different or another casting number. Has ANYONE found an 850 carb. installed?, especially a List 3418, 3886091 AN, or possibly a list 4054, 3925519 AN? This is the third Yenko ad i've seen advertising a new 68 Yenko with an 850 carb! Thanks, Bryan |
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Dang Pete - you are a WHIZZ! Nicely done and very much appreciated! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif[/img]
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bryan302</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whoo-hooo, that's awesome, I've been wanting to see a copy of those ads, thanks Pete!
Now I have a few questions. 1. on the first page, Would the Island Teal car be considered an unconverted car also, to go along with Eddie's green car and the five Corvette Bronze cars? Does anyone know or suspect if this Island Teal car was converted? 2. The 325hp ash gold car, 400 turbo, 140 speedo! Was this a 9737 car? 3. The 425hp, ash gold car, specified as Yenko, 400 turbo. Was this a prototype or experiment? Was this car considered part of the 64 cars? 4. Has anyone noticed or compared the front steering components mentioned in the first paragraph on their cars to reflect this statement. The 1-1/16 stab. bar is known, but has anyone noticed the str. knuckles or pitman arm, etc., to be different or another casting number. Has ANYONE found an 850 carb. installed?, especially a List 3418, 3886091 AN, or possibly a list 4054, 3925519 AN? This is the third Yenko ad i've seen advertising a new 68 Yenko with an 850 carb! Thanks, Bryan </div></div> The ads weren't always spot on. They advertised deuces with an 800cfm Holley. Not so. The deuce ad also referred to "Corvette" type motor. Which is close to correct other than they were stamped for Z 28's |
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I have not heard of any COPO9737 TH400 Camaros in 68 and don't think there were any 140 speeds on the SS396 325hp TH400 cars that I heard of
The 1968 427 Camaro TH400 in the ad does not list the 140 speedo also have seen ads with 800 Holley for the 69 Yenko Camaro the cfm rating can be calculated in different ways with different numbers but most call them 780s the 67 and early 68 L88 Corvette used a vac sec Holley that many call a 855cfm |
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The advertised 396/375 cars should be unconverted cars, still w/ their factory installed MV L8's. As noted above, I'd suspect the 396/325 car w/ 140 Speedo was a 9737 car that had its L78/Stick swapped out @ the Yenko dealership and replaced w/ the L35/M40...maybe from the car the L78 landed in? The 427/425 car notes it has the same instruments as the 427/450 car w/ 140 Speedo also notes 'with instruments' in the late Oct. ad too. As to the 1-1/16" Stab' Bars, has this actual size been confirmed on any existing '68 3737 cars or were they actually shipped w/ smaller bars? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete |
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Thanks Pete and Joe!
As several have mentioned that the ads are not exact, I agree. IF these ads are anywhere close, then it seems there is a possibility that there are more than six unconverted cars? And, the total might be more than 70? 396-375 Rallye Green, 140 speedo; (one accounted for) 396-375 Rallye Green, 140 speedo 396-375 Rallye Green, 140 speedo 396-375 Island Teal, 140 speedo 396-375 Corvette Bronze, 140 speedo; (one accounted for) 396-375 Corvette Bronze, 140 speedo 396-375 Corvette Bronze, 140 speedo 396-375 Corvette Bronze, 140 speedo 396-375 Corvette Bronze, 140 speedo 396-375 Ash Gold, 140 speedo;(possible engine and trans swap to 396-325/400 turbo?) 396-375 Ash Gold, 140 speedo;(possible engine and trans swap to 396-325/400 turbo?) 396-375 Ash Gold, 140 speedo;(possible engine and trans swap to 396-325/400 turbo?) I only bring this up for consideration because of the listing with a 140 speedo and strong possibility of all these being copo 9737, which would bring the total of cars up? Is it also a possibility that Yenko started changing these cars around to promote and SELL what was left over. If so, there are disguised copo's out there! Also, there was another Yenko ad dated 15 Dec. 1968, listing corvette's and a Grotto Blue Yenko DEMO car. This car fits the description of YS 8012, judging from the listing on the 68 Yenko registry. Was there official records that stated that there were only six unconverted cars? Just asking? Thanks, Bryan |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bryan302</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks Pete and Joe!
Was there official records that stated that there were only six unconverted cars? Just asking? </div></div> No years ago before NCRS reports, when I was helping Tom B research his 1968 CB L78 with 140 speedo, I told him I thought it was an unconverted Yenko COPO9737 because I thought that Yenko was the only one who got the 1968 L78 COPO 9737 Camaros from Chevy. There is some paperwork that supports this similar to Fred Gibb getting all 50 1968 COPO 9738 L78 TH400 Novas. I then found one of those Yenko ads showing 6 L78 140 speedo Camaros for sale late in the model year. Some people took this to mean only 6 unconverted cars were sold but I never said that. Someone even put it in a magazine article but it has no supporting documentation. I have not found any hard numbers for how many 1968 COPO 9737 Camaros were built or how many were converted to 427. Fran Preve's work estimated about 70 1968 COPO 9737 Camaros were built based on MV engine production records. Vince E said his records show 64 427 Camaros sold Yenko also built some 1968 427 450hp Camaros from non COPO 9737 L78 4 sp cars and appears some 427 425hp TH400 cars were built from SS396 325hp cars (same as in 1967) As far as I can tell, all the 1968 COPO 9737 Camaros were ordered as L78 4 speed with 140 speedos and the other hi po parts but hard to say if this is 100% true |
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Great Ad.....ill have to look but my sell date according to the protects plate book was in September of 68.
Could be that the one advertised is my car.....we will never know for sure but the months line up pretty good |
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Cool info and subject! Bryan has it right and there's 3 x Ash Gold cars noted w/ L35 so an ad typo may be more possible than 3 x lower engine conversion swaps on 3 cars of the same color? Being the totals add up to 15 as noted, the quantity 3 x AG cars is probably correct so was the 325 noted a mistake and supposed to read 396/375 like the others? Jiving known lost or surviving examples of '68 9737 cars sold by Kline/Ross etc w/ these ads and other facts may yield new info...certainly more questions! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete |
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Thanks Joe and Pete,
I love this stuff!! Yes, IMHO, the unconverted count just bumped up to twelve! What do you think? I have another question... Has ANYONE in the Canonsburg area searched the courthouse records? The Probate Court office should have those big ass books with personel property records. There will be a direct and reverse listing. Look for documents listed from General Motors TO Yenko Chevrolet from March 68 to July/Aug. It is well worth the time to investigate! Yes Pete, I got to thinking about those Gold cars. If Yenko needed more cars quick to convert, and grabbed a 325hp car, IT would NOT have had the 140 speedo in it. It was also Sept. and wanted them gone. If this is close to correct, then where did the 325hp, 400 turbo, and 3:31 gears come from? Any ideas? Do you think the gold cars was a total misprint and they are supposed to be like the others? Bryan |
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I never recall seeing a 427 Yenko Camaro in 1968 in Ash Gold..BKH
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bkhpah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I never recall seeing a 427 Yenko Camaro in 1968 in Ash Gold..BKH
</div></div> That one is entirely new to me as well, would love to see it though... |
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Don't forget - these end of production cars that did not get converted were put out there to sell as the new 69 copo and yenko cars were on their way in the dec/jan time.....so to move the inventory they pushed to sell them. And in the case of the Corvette Bronze car they were dealer traded as well. According to Tom Billigan - his CB car was on the lot at Kenny Ross and the NCRS doc I ran for his car indicated it was sent to Yenko as we would expect.
The question about the other ash gold cars, i would assume warren who worked at yenko would know if they converted other stock inventory cars. |
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If a guy wanted a new Yenko Camaro with a juicebox, wouldn't it have been simpler for Don to just engine swap an L35 rather than convert a stick car to auto? And if so, wouldn't an L35 COPO be a possibility?
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Not many 1967 or 1968 TH400 427 Yenkos have been found so hard to say how they were built.
In 1967 Yenko ads show the 427 TH400 car as 410hp with hydraulic lifters. In 1967 Yenko converted SS396 325HP TH400 cars to 427 It is not clear how the engines were equipped They could have used a 390hp L36 short block or long block and called it 410hp. Not sure if they used the Q-jet or changed out the intake and carb for a Holley In 1968 Yenko ad shows 427 425hp TH400 cars. Most likely converted from an SS396 325hp TH400 but it is not clear if they used hydraulic lifter or solid , oval port heads or square port heads , Q-jet or Holley, to get the 425hp. It would be a stretch to use a L36 390hp and call it 425hp I have not heard of any SS396 325hp TH400 Camaros with the COPO 9737 |
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I think the gold cars were all L35 autos, non-COPO (since the COPO included the MV block). That means that there were several errors in the ad about 9737 components on the cars. Not surprising because it was complicated.
Interesting they didn't spread the autos into different colors. I was always curious how they 'detuned' the 25 hp. Did they work over the TH400 trans or was it stock? 1-1/16" sway bars - any found in 68 Yenkos? I didn't think they were that large. |
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Kurt, they had the big sway bars....mine and tom billions car had then and of course other 68 yenko cars as well.
They are HUGH !!!!! |
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I thought 9737 was a 13/16" sway bar ?
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1969 9737 COPO Camaros had a 13/16 bar
1968 9737 COPO Camaros had a 1 1/16 bar by most accounts but some still say they had a 1in dia. bar. I wonder if they used both for some reason. Chevy made a bunch of bars available as Special Equipment for road racing. They were available from about 3/4 in. to 1 1/16 in. to tune the suspension to different tracks run in SCCA. Also made a rear bar. Don was said to be very good with sway bars and springs from many years of SCCA racing |
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The front sway bar on 68' Yenkos was 1 1/16. There is different hardware that hold the bar to the frame and two additional frame brackets located inside the frame to support the bar.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...7-dsc_0457.jpg
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In my experiences with running and using chassis dynos the drivetrain loss from a manual which pretty typical of 15% and an auto is %20 so the 6% (give or take) difference between the 450 to 425hp flywheel hp listing in the ad would make one assume it was a solid lifter L72 type of engine with a TH400.. I would think that Yenko would toss one of the auto cars on the dyno just to see what the drivetrain loss would have been.. Remember this was the very early stages of auto trans being able to handle the power and shift almost as fast as someone in a manual and it be consistent on the shifts..
That's my worthless $0.02 As for the sway bar does any know why the change to the larger bar was done.?. Most of these cars were built for straight line not the SCCA.?. |
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Thanks for the info on the 68 swaybars. That thing looks like a 69 ps drag link!
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I knew you would appreciate the info Kurt..BKH
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That's a big bar there. Looks like they engineered a fix to prevent the threads from pulling right out of the frame....
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Awesome swaybar info also great to see the frame brackets in the one pic too. Does the Desert Rat and/or other known '68 9737 cars all have this bar same setup? Being the bars were a handling package, is it know if any 68's Road-Raced by Team Yenko were built from 9737 cars? - Here's a bunch more old ads for '68 Yenko Camaros only, I've tried to lay them out chronologically but may be mistakes. I didn't include duplicate ads w/ different dates although some may be the same cars through the years/different owners? Note not all are 427 cars, regular L78's sold at Yenko or unconverted 9737 cars? :hmmm: :beers: ~ Pete - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pic...9506-image.jpg - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pic...9507-image.jpg - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pic...9508-image.jpg - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pic...9509-image.jpg - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pic...9512-image.jpg - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pic...9513-image.jpg - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pic...9514-image.jpg - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pic...9515-image.jpg - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pic...9516-image.jpg - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pic...9517-image.jpg - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pic...9518-image.jpg - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pic...9519-image.jpg - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pic...9520-image.jpg - https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pic...9521-image.jpg - |
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That 375- #### is from Aliquippa area......hm wonder who??
Huber maybe?? |
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Googling the 375 # brings up this page w/ info for the Casp family in West Aliquippa... https://homemetry.com/West+Aliquippa...DINAL+AVE/1707 Looks like possibly the same name and # also address through a few generations? Is the May '72 ad w/ 373 # an Aliquippa # too...connection to the later ad?[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img] Someone near there should give it a whirl.[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete |
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