Black Panther value?
 

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I alwasy liked these cars. But then, I have a thing for black cars.

I am certain you will get huge differences of opinion. Don't know if it is a true survivor, restored, or to what level.

But for me, I would put a 10k to 20k premium over and above a comparable SS 350. Lots of reasons why, but I would just bore everyone who reads the thread.


When I say comparable, I mean about the same condition. If this car is a restored #2, then find a restored #2 SS350 car, and add the premium.

You get the idea.

No doubt there are others who wouldn't pay that much premium, and some who would pay more.

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What makes this car special and as you mentioned no performance mods, so just appearance package? Maybe someone from the area would pay a bit more, but seems it was a lesser known performance dealership than say Nickey, Dana, Yenko, Baldwin, or even Berger, so my opinion is there would be pretty limited appeal for the most part without any mods or a racing history. It's a sharp car with the black exterior and gold stripe. But substantial extra value for Gorries connection, I just don't see it. If it was one of the Black Panther Z-28's, a big block, or 427 dealer transplant than a whole new level of value and would have substantial appeal to most collectors.

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Mark:

I realize it is not an SS. I was just using that for the comparison. I know the performance models are the more desirable, but for me, I never considerd an SS350 a performance model. Apologies to any owners who do. Just picking a spot in the pecking order.

Pricing it $10k to $20k over a comparable SS350 might mean they sit on it for a while. Pretty limited market, but still a novelty car, and special in its own right. Kind of like the "mod" vinyl top cars, but a bit more desirable to me.

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Zedder, sorry I don't see it as appealing as these guys do, SORRY not putting it/you down, just trying to be honest. Rare doesn't always mean worth more.

Problem is, it's a CANADIAN dealer car. Look at the Beaumont/Acadian cars. They are worth less than the comparable Chevelle/Nova's even though there are far less = rarer. I was into the Canadian car scene for about 7/8 yrs and this is what I found when I went looking for the CND cars.

But with that being said. IF you think that the car compares well to the SS350 car, I WOULD add 6-10K to that value and price the car there. Just like real estate, you price it to high, it sits and usually goes for less then it should have once it's past the "hot button" time.

Sorry not trying to be a d!ck or anything. Just my honest opinion. Looks like a nice clean driver. No hood scoops, mild 327 without any performance upgrades could limit the market. IDK maybe look at a #2 Camaro NOT an SS350 and add to that. As noted, these were mostly "appearance" packages, but for the 427's car that NONE are known to exist. Other dealer car, Dana, Yenko, BM and even Conroys all had performance behind them to garner a bigger $$$. YES it from a performance dealer, but also look at it like this, what would a base '67 327 Camaro be some strips from say Bill Thomas, Scuncio or Jack Douglas. I think that would be a better representation of value myself.

Looking at the pictures online, I would say $50,000 CND or around that. I personally just don't see it being much more than that, if any.

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Thanks, understandable. I'm still "performance" oriented in my thoughts and that might bias me too.

I went though the "value" thing about 5 years ago on a '66 L79 SD Acadian. Been hidden for 20+yrs. Car is honestly #3.5 so not the greatest shape and rough in places. "Supposed" to have the original motor, but in pieces and has a 350 in car now. Said it was a "go-fast car" so parts and pieces got changed? Needed resto then and not just a paint and polish. He says:

"it's rarer then the Chevy II's and there going in the 60/70K range US. I think this has gotta be worth $55,000.00 US".

I have been back maybe 3 times. Still has it, go figure. FYI there was a 66 L79 Acadian for sale last fall locally. Was asking $50,000 complete running and nice car.

I disagree. Than why are Twister Special Mustangs double the value over a similarly equipped Mach 1? Afterall, it's only an appearance package. The reason is because they're cool looking and typically are of limited production.

Appearance packages should hold a value above similarly equipped stock vehicles, but below engine transplant cars.

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I agree with Mark (ZEDDER). The twister car Drag Pack cars. As well, the "lower performing cars" are Cleveland 4 bbl cars and high is Super Corbra Jets. Far more performance then a 210Hp Camaro.

So if similar 210Hp Camaro's are 25K US (about 34K CND.) then pricing at 50K CND should be fairly accurate I would think?

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The Twisters came with the 351 as well. There were no performance options above and beyond any 1970 Mach 1.

A lot of variables come in play when assessing something like the Panther Camaros. Ford dealers and the Mustang were the leaders when it came to appearance package upgrades. Speaking specifically to appearance "upgrading" only, I feel it adds a 25% value above a similarly equipped model if there's paperwork and documentation to substantiate the claim.

I wish them well in the sale of the car.

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250K car yikes. I just don't see this turning out well. Didn't Bob pass away? That's too bad.

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Let us know if and when it hits ebay. I would like to watch that auction. I am not a buyer at this time. Just curious.

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I would think that car would bring at least $50K. Maybe even $75K. I guess we will see.

Mark,

I wonder if putting it in a car auction would bring more money than ebay? If you have a very unique/desirable car the auction houses can do a real good job of marketing them before the auctions. I'm very impressed with the print material Mecum puts together on the high dollar cars that they have at their auctions.

Dave

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Here's a perfect example of a unique car that can't seem to bring the money.

It's a 72 Shelby De Mexico Mustang. Basically a Shelby for Mexico. Granted the 351 is missing in action and a 302 is in the car now. But how many of these are still around and how many are in US collections? Not many I bet.

Even with Shelby passing, this car can't bring 25k (its been up several times). To a Shelby collector that has everything else, you'd think someone would snatch this one up just for the history.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/oogAA...tX/s-l1600.jpg

Anyway, just an example of rare is not always in demand. I would imagine that the notchback hurts the value and the unrestored status. But the Shelby heritage should make this a budget bang for the buck entry into the club.

I know it's Mexico vs. Canada, but thought this was relevant.


/Rich

https://i.postimg.cc/sxLV5Wm1/untitled.png

Perfect example of a Pontiac dealer made up "special looking" car . . . 1970 The Jury. So isn't it worth say $150,000? How about $200,000. Are you laughing yet?

That's all the Black Panther is . . . a Chevrolet dealer made up special looking car. And not a successful one either. 25 of The Jury were sold. How many Black Panthers?

Guys, don't get me wrong, it's a nice car. but I stated on the first page I figure you might get $50K CND. It is a Camaro and it is a Panther. Now for me, I don't know if I would pay theat when there was these at Mecum:

1968 HEMI GTX SOLD for $57,200
https://www.mecum.com/lots/AZ0319-36...outh-hemi-gtx/

Or this W31 SOLD for $31,900
https://www.mecum.com/lots/AZ0319-37...-cutlass-w-31/

1967 HEMI GTX SOLD for $56,650
https://www.mecum.com/lots/AZ0319-37...outh-hemi-gtx/

This one I would have probably been all over
1966 Chevelle SS396 SOLD for $31,900
https://www.mecum.com/lots/AZ0319-37...t-chevelle-ss/


There is a lot of cars around that 50K range so the market could be a tough deal.

I'm no Mopar guru, but that 1968 Hemi GTX looks like a steal at that price. I've been watching their pricing for a little while now and that car looks like it went for the price of a decent 440 GTX. Man, I love those. Wonder if there was something up with it for that money? Might be the color holding it back.

Sucks that ZEDDER deleted the info in this thread............

Owners of the car in question were complaining to me about my thoughts on the value of the car, so I didn't care to be a part of that. Feel free to ask any questions that you might have about them in general and I'd be happy to share what I know.

Mark, understand. I just went back to the thread as we discussed the value of the run-of-the-mill SS350 cars. Just want to see what it was then compared to now on something like a SS350? I thought the concessions at the time was the SS350 cars were in the mid to high 20's???

Didn't this Panther sell for mid to highs $40's???

Yes on the Panther selling price - I think it was $48k or so. I think the driver SS350's where in the 30's when we were discussing this before.

Thanks Mark.