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Mulsanne Blue 09-02-2019 11:50 PM

Rear Seat/Trunk Divider
 
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Any good sources for large sheets of material they made into seat/trunk dividers back in the day. From what I've gathered off the internet, the material is referred to as chipboard. Matching pictures indicates its unbleached. Uline sells 40x48 in 0.022" to 0.120" thicknesses, but the cost is in the hundreds. Only need a couple of sheets. Dividers sold by the parts guys have the correct cut, but are made mostly out of solid black cardboard.

clnovaparts 09-03-2019 12:08 AM

seat divider board material
 
Try this company. They call it cowlboard. Check around the 117 page in their catalog

http://www.restorationspecialties.com/Products.html

Mulsanne Blue 09-03-2019 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by clnovaparts (Post 1461855)
Try this company. They call it cowlboard. Check around the 117 page in their catalog

http://www.restorationspecialties.com/Products.html

Thanks, I sent them a message.

BCreekDave 09-03-2019 12:55 AM

Try these guys:
https://www.remautoinc.com/products.php
They make a very good Underhood insulation pad. I need one of the trunk dividers also. Let us know what you find out.

Mulsanne Blue 09-05-2019 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BCreekDave (Post 1461869)
Try these guys:
https://www.remautoinc.com/products.php
They make a very good Underhood insulation pad. I need one of the trunk dividers also. Let us know what you find out.

I believe REM supplies the black dividers most vendors sell today, but I'll contact them. Do you have any remnants of the original material? If so, knowing the thickness would better communicate with possible suppliers.

By the way, my '70 z is a 04B NORWOOD also. We should compare numbers sometime.

Mulsanne Blue 09-05-2019 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by clnovaparts (Post 1461855)
Try this company. They call it cowlboard. Check around the 117 page in their catalog

http://www.restorationspecialties.com/Products.html


Heard back from Restoration Specialties. They sell tar based material, no paper type. Still, a lot of good stuff on their site. Have it bookmarked.

BCreekDave 09-05-2019 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mulsanne Blue (Post 1462226)
I believe REM supplies the black dividers most vendors sell today, but I'll contact them. Do you have any remnants of the original material? If so, knowing the thickness would better communicate with possible suppliers.

By the way, my '70 z is a 04B NORWOOD also. We should compare numbers sometime.

Yet another part that is repoped poorly.

I do have my original, but it is torn and taped in a few spots. It is good enough I can make a pattern out of it in CAD.

I will try to figure out the material. If I can find a source I will let you know. I can then buy some and possibly cut it on a CNC Xacto knife machine we have at work. I had to do that for the package tray. The repop trays don't have the insulating foam backing. I carefully peeled my original off and created a pattern in CAD and cut it out on the machine. I was surprised that Legendary doesn't do the insulating backing or even the correct rear speaker cutout. Their speaker version tray only has the type that has a series of holes covered by black mesh.

In the mean time I will try to remember to measure it tonight and post the thickness.

I've seen several 70z's from early April. 04A's and B's. The line must have been rolling pretty good at that time.

Mulsanne Blue 09-06-2019 03:01 AM

Divider and Package Tray
 
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Originally Posted by BCreekDave (Post 1462244)
Yet another part that is repoped poorly.

The repop trays don't have the insulating foam backing. I carefully peeled my original off and created a pattern in CAD and cut it out on the machine.

I didn't realize the package tray originally had a foam backing. Happen to have a picture?

BCreekDave 09-06-2019 12:51 PM

Measured my divider...looks to be about 0.090 thick. most likely a nominal of 3/32" originally.

For the insulator, look at the first photo you posted on the inside of the trunk. You can see the foam peeking out around the openings. Apparently it could either be foam or jute. I haven't discovered where or when it transitioned or if it was an either-or thing. My car was a Z87 car and it supposedly had "extra insulation" as part of that option package, but nobody has ever said what that actually is other than the underhood mat and the cowl seals. Maybe the foam was part of that?
An interesting thing I did discover when taking off the foam. There was a round cutout in the middle of the foam at the point close to the rear window. The only thing I can determine is the die to cut the foam was made for the cancelled Vigilite system where there would have been and indicator for the rear lights mounted on the package tray, like the '69's had.
Here's a link to a photo:
http://nastyz28.com/media/1970-z87-p...nderside.7756/
http://nastyz28.com/media/package-tr...ion-hole.7757/

BCreekDave 09-07-2019 04:48 PM

About the best I have been able to come with so far is this:
https://www.utrechtart.com/Utrecht-C...015785.utrecht

The divider measures 21.5 high by 48 wide, but the 48 includes a 2 inch wide pointed edge for about 2 inches high that honestly you can't see anyway from the trunk. You could get the thickness by getting the 1/32 and 1/16 thicknesses and gluing them together. This is all I have been able to find in single sheet sales that is reasonably priced.

Hope this helps.

EDIT: I went ahead and ordered a sheet of the 1/32 and the 1/16 and I'll let you know what they look like. 15.00 bucks what do I have to lose?

Mulsanne Blue 09-07-2019 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BCreekDave (Post 1462474)
About the best I have been able to come with so far is this:
https://www.utrechtart.com/Utrecht-C...015785.utrecht

The divider measures 21.5 high by 48 wide, but the 48 includes a 2 inch wide pointed edge for about 2 inches high that honestly you can't see anyway from the trunk. You could get the thickness by getting the 1/32 and 1/16 thicknesses and gluing them together. This is all I have been able to find in single sheet sales that is reasonably priced.

Hope this helps.

EDIT: I went ahead and ordered a sheet of the 1/32 and the 1/16 and I'll let you know what they look like. 15.00 bucks what do I have to lose?

Good searching. You found exactly the supplier I was hoping to find. Perfect size and quality selection. Good Idea on the gluing. With your CNC availability, I'm sure you'll gain interest from not only 2nd gen owners. Fingers crossed on the match. If not, I have samples coming from setshop.com.

BCreekDave 09-11-2019 08:47 PM

Found this place also:

http://www.repops.com/product-search...a=2&mo=84&yr=0

Not sure what the difference is between CA237DX and CA238

They look pretty good.

EDIT: Nevermind. Called Repops and first off they do not sell to end users and second what their photo shows is the just insulation which looks like it covers the typical black board. So it looks like it is the same as others are selling, but the Repops may be the actual.manufacturer.
https://www.scpcamaro.com/1970-81-Ca...-p/ca237dx.htm

BCreekDave 09-13-2019 01:57 PM

Received the panels from Utrechtart. The material is virtually identical to the original panel. It was very well packaged with heavy cardboard and corner reinforcements. It actually shipped from Dickblick which is a major art supplies store.

Due to the width being a bit less, the end result will be missing the upper "wings" that were there most likely to allow the assembly worker to "hang" the panel and keep it from sliding down prior to the rear seat install. These wings are not visible once the seat is installed so some small pieces of tape or even hot melt will hold it while the seat back is installed.

Mulsanne Blue 09-14-2019 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BCreekDave (Post 1463171)
Received the panels from Utrechtart. The material is virtually identical to the original panel. It was very well packaged with heavy cardboard and corner reinforcements. It actually shipped from Dickblick which is a major art supplies store.

Due to the width being a bit less, the end result will be missing the upper "wings" that were there most likely to allow the assembly worker to "hang" the panel and keep it from sliding down prior to the rear seat install. These wings are not visible once the seat is installed so some small pieces of tape or even hot melt will hold it while the seat back is installed.

Great. You probably already checked this out, but Dickblick sells a 30-ply (~0.10) in the 28" x 44" size. I messaged asking if it's possible to order a custom 21.5 x 48 size in 5-10 quantities.

Mulsanne Blue 09-22-2019 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BCreekDave (Post 1462378)
Measured my divider...looks to be about 0.090 thick. most likely a nominal of 3/32" originally.

For the insulator, look at the first photo you posted on the inside of the trunk. You can see the foam peeking out around the openings. Apparently it could either be foam or jute. I haven't discovered where or when it transitioned or if it was an either-or thing. My car was a Z87 car and it supposedly had "extra insulation" as part of that option package, but nobody has ever said what that actually is other than the underhood mat and the cowl seals. Maybe the foam was part of that?
An interesting thing I did discover when taking off the foam. There was a round cutout in the middle of the foam at the point close to the rear window. The only thing I can determine is the die to cut the foam was made for the cancelled Vigilite system where there would have been and indicator for the rear lights mounted on the package tray, like the '69's had.
Here's a link to a photo:
http://nastyz28.com/media/1970-z87-p...nderside.7756/
http://nastyz28.com/media/package-tr...ion-hole.7757/

There are several untouched '70 Camaros with standard interiors with good trunk pics that show the foam. One without a rear speaker and rear defog has foam covering both openings and what appears to the same type of knock-out perforation as the round cutout on yours.

Would like to give it a go at making one for myself. Mind disclosing what foam material you used? I'm leaning toward 1/4" speaker/filter foam.

BCreekDave 09-22-2019 01:08 PM

I got the material from MSCDirect. PN 31940687. My original measured about a 1/2 inch thick in the uncompressed areas.
I made a pattern up in CAD off of my original. If you have access to a large format printer I can send it to you. You can plot it out and lay it on top and then with a very sharp box knife cut the foam.

Mulsanne Blue 09-22-2019 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BCreekDave (Post 1464229)
I got the material from MSCDirect. PN 31940687. My original measured about a 1/2 inch thick in the uncompressed areas.
I made a pattern up in CAD off of my original. If you have access to a large format printer I can send it to you. You can plot it out and lay it on top and then with a very sharp box knife cut the foam.

That would be great. The school's shop class that I teach at has a large printer. I appreciate your help. e-mail to [email protected]

CamarosRus 09-23-2019 11:56 PM

I am a REM dealer if I can be of help on misc soft goods

Mulsanne Blue 09-24-2019 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CamarosRus (Post 1464433)
I am a REM dealer if I can be of help on misc soft goods

The reason of this thread is that REM and/or others do not make or sell the correct divider...


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