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scuncio 04-29-2020 04:16 AM

'69 RS/SS L78, VV Cooke Sold, Docs
 
Cool car, needs some original GM door panels and some good pics of the engine block stamp. Has the rarely seen tach and center fuel gauge.

The seller is claiming 'matching numbers' but I'd want to see a good pic...the absence of any pic makes me wonder.

Link to 1969 RS/SS L78 auction

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124379N515164

ZLP955 04-29-2020 09:18 AM

Car went through Mecum Kissimmee back in January. Described as retaining "the matching-numbers 396/375 HP engine and matching-numbers 4-speed manual transmission feeding a 4.10:1 rear end."
Description also said "Extensive Eckler's receipts included" (not sure that'd be a selling point, but at least describes the restoration).
Crappy pic of the Protect-o-plate from the Mecum website:
https://cdn1.mecum.com/assets/images...ate_902842.jpg

William 04-29-2020 01:00 PM

Car was final-assembled on or about October 3, 1968. That's about 12 weeks prior to the release of U16 as an option.

Would have been built with 1st design rear spoiler, D90 stripe and head restraints. Resto not commensurate with the asking price.

RSSSfan 04-29-2020 02:20 PM

Interesting - that one was sold in my hometown, and the address listed on the POP is right down the road from my office. That car probably roamed the streets around here when I was growing up.


It would be interesting to see where all it's been.

RSSSfan 04-29-2020 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William (Post 1496829)
Car was final-assembled on or about October 3, 1968. That's about 12 weeks prior to the release of U16 as an option.

Would have been built with 1st design rear spoiler, D90 stripe and head restraints. Resto not commensurate with the asking price.


Looks like an older, mostly driver quality restoration. Should not have a sharp taped line of paint across the top of the firewall.

Crush 04-29-2020 03:04 PM

Love all the inspection by you guys, so what is this car worth or a fair offer with what has been pointed out?

William 04-29-2020 04:04 PM

Been to over two dozen auctions over the past decade; logged results. Only 11 of the many '396' Camaros were considered comparable since 2015.

Low $40,700 [nom, JM docs] high $88,000. Avg $61,618. Only 3 were RS including the $88k car. Other two were among the lowest sale prices.

FWIW the car in question [N515164] was a no-sale @ $72,000.

Kurt S 04-30-2020 04:50 AM

Hate to rat out the car, but 9N515164 was rolling shell with a 10 bolt back in 2002. No docs.
It grew a L78 and a POP....

AnthonyS 04-30-2020 05:45 AM

^ gah.

mockingbird812 04-30-2020 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurt S (Post 1496962)
Hate to rat out the car, but 9N515164 was rolling shell with a 10 bolt back in 2002. No docs.
It grew a L78 and a POP....


Cant sneak one by the gurus ‘round here!!! Nicely done Kurt!!:worship: Man, looks like paint was applied with a roller and nuanced with a new interpretation of what Lemans blue is supposed to be!:dunno:

scuncio 04-30-2020 01:48 PM

Wow.

njsteve 04-30-2020 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kurt s (Post 1496962)
hate to rat out the car, but 9n515164 was rolling shell with a 10 bolt back in 2002. No docs.
It grew a l78 and a pop....

doh!

chevelleheart 04-30-2020 07:45 PM

Great stuff Kurt ! ,...man it’s good to have that knowledge on this site

R68GTO 04-30-2020 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurt S (Post 1496962)
Hate to rat out the car, but 9N515164 was rolling shell with a 10 bolt back in 2002. No docs.
It grew a L78 and a POP....

Be careful Kurt....these fakers are going to put a price on your head one of these days. Thanks for your contributions to the hobby!

RSSSfan 05-01-2020 01:53 PM

It is truly getting to the point that you just have to assume that any collectible muscle car that you look at is fake unless proven otherwise. Particularly the solid lifter cars. Seems like there are more fakes out there than authentic cars. It burns me up too, because it dilutes the hobby and actually makes owning an original car less attractive because people are getting tired of all the work involved in vetting them to ensure authenticity. These people who are faking the cars really should serve some jail time for it.

William 05-01-2020 02:20 PM

When we bought ZL1 #4 in 1987 it was a bracket car with manual drum brakes, power steering, no docs and a 402 engine. Many other real solid lifter cars have been located in similar condition. There have been countless stories on this site and others about people searching for prior owners and locating paperwork, drivetrain components, etc.

Kurt never said it was a fake. He described the "as-found" condition of the car as of 18 years ago. A thorough inspection would reveal the truth.

TimG 05-01-2020 02:56 PM

Lots of good folks get burned on a rare car and never return to the hobby. That's a shame.

William 05-01-2020 03:33 PM

Even the 'experts' get taken.

https://theblast.com/jerry-seinfeld-...nts-dismissed/

scott s 05-01-2020 04:01 PM

Thats why i love the unrestored survivor cars the best,some are not so pretty but atleast u know what u are getting for your $$$. Cause in the end this could have been any one of us that purchased this pig in lipstick......:biggthumpup:

ZLP955 05-02-2020 05:33 AM

The availability of shipper docs via the NCRS has given folk a starting point to try and track down missing history on a car, so not totally unexpected that some cars that were once undocumented and/or NOM may now have been reunited with docs or missing parts.
But still plenty that haven't, so proper research and inspection is always required.

William 05-02-2020 12:32 PM

There are no docs for Norwood cars in the range N508855-N587275.

ZLP955 05-02-2020 10:13 PM

Yep, it was a general comment on how shipper docs may have helped obtain provenance for some cars.


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