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tom M 06-26-2022 04:57 PM

300k 442 w-30 at Mecum returned
 
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what a bummer.
car is scrubbed from mecum website
color change vin swap? something went south
Mecum losing 60k in commissions gives me a warm feeling

Dave Rifkin 06-26-2022 05:58 PM

I have no idea what went wrong either but, that car is stunning.

mrays 06-26-2022 06:16 PM

The car has a - - paint code on the trim tag so it could have been 1 of 4 colors from the factory. The window sticker showed Aegean Aqua, but I believe it was a reproduction. There was a body broadcast card showing it was a factory W30 car so that should show the original paint color too. I think it still had its original engine and transmission. I talked to the owner in the staging lanes and he was answering any questions anyone asked him about the car. I'm not sure what happened, but I did notice it was gone from the Mecum website within a week of the auction being over.

tom M 06-26-2022 06:50 PM

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car was originally gold and very rough

if they had a window sticker showing agean aqua it was a repop.

ive also heard it's a rebody with a restamped trans,but you know how that goes.

Mr70 06-26-2022 07:05 PM

Time to take out the trash..

jeffschevelle 06-26-2022 08:57 PM

Why in the world would someone change colors on a car like that? Would its original shade of gold have been a -- trim tag?

tom M 06-26-2022 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffschevelle (Post 1594215)
Why in the world would someone change colors on a car like that? Would its original shade of gold have been a -- trim tag?

yes if it was nugget gold

mrays 06-26-2022 10:09 PM

The four colors that were a -- on the trim tag were 51 Sebring Yellow, 53 Nugget Gold, 38 Aegean Aqua and 73 Rally Red. I believe the body broadcast card with this car shows 53 Nugget Gold. There was a scrap book with tons of photos of this car as it was being restored along with photos of stampings and documentation. Any serious buyer would have had the opportunity to look through these photos and ask the owner questions. There weren't any before pictures like the one posted above. I had heard that this car was originally Nugget Gold so I was just looking through the photos to see if there were any before pictures of the car. I believe it started with showing sheet metal being replaced after the car had been stripped and then going from there. I don't remember what all was replaced, but if it would have showed the car being rebodied I would have remembered that. Anyway, it is a beautiful car.

Tracker1 06-29-2022 01:02 PM

NUGGET GOLD, my favorite '70 442 color. Should never have been changed, what a shame.

Stefano 06-29-2022 05:43 PM

Original Colors are denoted on the Broadcast Card. Nugget Gold with a Black Bucket seat interior.

Charlierogers 06-29-2022 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefano (Post 1594481)
Original Colors are denoted on the Broadcast Card. Nugget Gold with a Black Bucket seat interior.

know it all sob!

L72copocamaro 07-01-2022 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tom M (Post 1594179)
what a bummer.
Mecum losing 60k in commissions gives me a warm feeling

Seems unfair. To me, the seller is responsible for vetting the facts, not the auction house. They sell thousands of cars each year, and I'm sure they are not staffed to authenticate each one. Unfortunate they lost out on the commission, but that's the way it goes sometimes; it's just business. The seller on the other hand needs to do due diligence; they're the ones losing out in the end.

napa68 07-01-2022 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by L72copocamaro (Post 1594618)
Seems unfair. To me, the seller is responsible for vetting the facts, not the auction house. They sell thousands of cars each year, and I'm sure they are not staffed to authenticate each one. Unfortunate they lost out on the commission, but that's the way it goes sometimes; it's just business. The seller on the other hand needs to do due diligence; they're the ones losing out in the end.

I don't have much to base this on aside from one story that was told to me. I believe the consignor is responsible for the commission. If that is incorrect, please tell me.

Bad deal from all angles.

oldstv 07-01-2022 05:11 PM

There is both a buyer and a seller fee to be paid on every car unless a deal is struck between either party with the house.
I have seen the house reduce the fee to make a sale but it is not what they like to do.

oldstv 07-01-2022 05:25 PM

I personally have no problem with the house being responsible for a for holding a seller accountable as to the accuracy of their vehicle. If the seller sells under the "numbers matching" description and it turns out that it is a restamp the seller should be responsible for any arbitration not the house. However, the house should be responsible for putting the process in place because they are making money on both parties.

Big Block Bill 07-02-2022 01:53 AM

I have a customer who had a - - paint code 1970 W-30 post sedan that was built in spring of 1970. It was originally Nugget Gold but was painted a dark Chocolate Brown. Originally a-black bench 4 Speed, but someone put black Buckets in it. It had a W-27 Differential in it. It was an ex Drag car out of California? Everything was numbers matching except for the Short Block (Which he had). Sold it to a guy in northern Illinois about 8-10 years ago for under $20,000 if I remember correctly. Nicest original car I ever worked on.

Bill

Stefano 12-23-2022 02:31 PM

One of approx 142 4 speed W-30 post coupes and how many had the W-27? Where is this car?

Big Block Bill 12-23-2022 02:57 PM

300K 442 W-30 Nugget Gold Post 4 Speed car
 
Stefano,

I tried to send you a PM but got this: Stefano has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space. Call me on my Cell or PM me back

Thanks,
Bill Pankiw

Bob_D 12-23-2022 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Block Bill (Post 1594683)
I have a customer who had a - - paint code 1970 W-30 post sedan that was built in spring of 1970. It was originally Nugget Gold but was painted a dark Chocolate Brown. Originally a-black bench 4 Speed, but someone put black Buckets in it. It had a W-27 Differential in it. It was an ex Drag car out of California? Everything was numbers matching except for the Short Block (Which he had). Sold it to a guy in northern Illinois about 8-10 years ago for under $20,000 if I remember correctly. Nicest original car I ever worked on.

Bill

Here's your Brown (Nugget Gold W30) Look at the pictures, W27 diff? or just the cover?

https://www.volocars.com/vehicles/17...obile-442-w-30

Big Block Bill 12-23-2022 11:51 PM

300k 442 w-30 at Mecum returned
 
I have the VIN at work in my Customer file dating back to June of 2011 when I last worked on it. I'll have to check, but it looks like the exact, same car.

Bill

Stefano 12-24-2022 03:37 AM

Based on your story and the fact that the car is in Illinois , odds are that this is the car. So TM rear end code is 3.42 W-30 or can be 442 4 speed, but not a W27 aluminum rear and the diff cover is a reproduction. Were there some remnants of the nugget good paint?

Too bad there are no docs, but a broadcast card could still be in the car. Most likely place is under the bottom back seat cushion, but there are other areas to look if not there.

Original carb, intake, distributor, alternator and master cylinder and other misc items will cost a bunch to source. Very Kool find.


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