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He has 68-81 Corvettes nearly done, plans on releasing it first, followed by 63-67, followed by 54-62 Corvettes.
Is it true Jim? Will the Corvette info be released first?

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If so...look for some real good deals on 435 horse cars before it gets published !

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I heard that Alan Colvin is involved with this project? Anyone know if this is true? He would be one of the best to do the research............RatPack..............

When are the Camaro & Chevelle records going to be released? I bet the restampers of trim tags and POP's will hate for this info to get out to the public.............

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When the Pontiac Historical Service started providing documentation it must have weeded out some fake GTOs and Judges.

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It is my understanding that 80% plus of the ram air Pontiacs were proven to be built cars. Z28, SS396 and like models probably will have a big number of clones as well. Body VIN stamping documentation will be a must if you want the big dollar. Even now, it is pretty hard to get a fake past all the guys on this web site. You can fool all of the people some of the time, but, you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Just thought that up. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

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Keith,
This is one of the few times I will have to respectfully disagree with you. There are more faked Big Block Chevelles, Big Block Camaros, Z28s and 1967 435 HP Corvettes than the real thing. Some are very easy to detect and some will shock everyone if and when those numbers are released. Just my humble opinion.

I do however,agree that the number of Fake COPOs, Chevelles and Camaros will be a much lower percentage, and that we will probably find more of these cars that were not known then cars that we thought real turning out fake.

Bob,
I believe the deals on the Clone Big Block 435/400/390 Vetts will get better after the numbers are made available [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] and that the real deal Vettes will go up in value.

Very interesting to see how it pans out.

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so you mean a car like this one
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1873668087

wont get by anyone?
Oh wait a min I dont need the papers it has a Norwood VIN and a LOS trim tag got to love the 69 427 in it though wonder what it came out of a Yenko perhaps [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif[/img]

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Stefano, I guess I didn't realize just how big the fake industry is. We are about to find out perhaps. I'm lucky, having bought the one Chevelle new and traced the other back to the original owner through the package you get when you buy a vehicle up here. Having the GM of Canada paperwork helps too. This new info can only ad to the value of the real cars. I'll be looking south for a blue glow in the night sky when the information comes out. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

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Any idea when the 69 Camaro records will be available? I will be in line to get my Vette records for sure. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

-Mark.

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Great....Norwood trim and Van Nuys VIN.....what the heck are they thinking.

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There are more faked Big Block Chevelles, Big Block Camaros, Z28s and 1967 435 HP Corvettes than the real thing.

Let us not forget the LS-6 Chevelle. I can't wait to see how many times I get to say, "I told you so." [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif[/img] Likely 40-50% of these cars are also fake today.

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He has 68-81 Corvettes nearly done, plans on releasing it first, followed by 63-67, followed by 54-62 Corvettes. I heard that Alan Colvin is involved with this project? Anyone know if this is true?

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Would this possibly be in conjunction with Colvin's new "Corvette by the Numbers" book? Possibly one hand washed the other.

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Keith,
Fakes and fraud have been a problem for a long time and it is much more prevalent than most people want to believe.

I won't mention any names, but recently a seasoned collector went 0 for 3 of his last muscle car purchases. One was a Dodge one was a Ford and one a Chevy. All were documented to a degree and two were restored many years ago, none of the three started life as they were represented and all were purchased from different parties. While this is an extreme situation, the Fakes had to exist in order for him to have made the mistake.

Two of the three had gone from one collection to another over many years and believed to be genuine.

Canadian Muscle cars and Super Cars sell very quickly around here, due to the GM of Canada Documentation.

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As a "cloner" not a "faker" I look forward to Jim's documentation. Maybe that will lift the veil of doubt, when guys like me say they have no intention of defrauding anyone.

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<font color="red">I know of a First Gen Camaro right now sitting in a body shop that is being built as a SS396, he also has 2 parts cars in the back 40. Guy is a body shop owner and long time worker for a defunct GM dealership. He has been hunting the parts etc for several years now. He is very knowledgeable about the GM body codes and tags etc. He was just bragging to me that he was building an SS. He does not care its a clone, he only in it for the money. When I bugged him about it not being a real SS, he says "It will be when I am done". He has built other cars in the past and sold them, one was a phoney 1970 Chevelle SS. The person who bought that one was a former coworker of his and knew it was not an SS but he takes it to all the local cars shows purporting it to be a real SS396.

There are a lot of persons out there that are of the opinion that to be a SS, all you need is the emblems, bucket seats and a floor shifter. Many just don't care one way or the other. I often here someone say, its my car and I can do what I want with it. I don't like the word clone because its often blurred when the car is sold, so the new owner now purports the car as real. Unless the person doing the cloning is putting something permanent on the car that states its a clone. Most if not all won't do that.</font color>

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I'm building a Yenko clone with factory air. That's pretty permanent.

I offered several years ago to develop and maintain a "Clone Registry" on this site. That way current cloners, not intrested in disguise, could register their car. Potential buyers could check the list before laying down big money for a potential purchase. Tom elected not to take me up on my offer.

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Clones are not just happening to these old cars either. There was a 96 Z28, the guy was selling as a limited edition 96 SS. It did not have the SLP sticker or build number. It did have (from the pictures) SS spoiler, hood and decals. This was on ebay and fetched SS sells price. To the person that didn't know better thought he was getting a real 96 SS when he was getting a clone.

As an owner of a true 96 SS it upset me som'n fierce, cuz it looked just like mine.

CLONING IS WRONG WHETHER HUMAN OR CARS!

But that is another debate.

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Stranger,
Got any art in your house? Are they originals, or prints?
Got any furniture "in the style" of 18th century? Just curious.

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Unreal, You are more then welcome to do a "clone" registry, but the sYc will not be involved. One of the main objectives of the sYc is to help seperate the real ones from the rest, not bring them together. If we did, here is what would happen, "For sale, 1972 Yenko Nova, registered with the sYc". No thanks, I have enough to do as it is. Tom

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BTW, this is a true scenario! There is actually a videotape of a '72 'Yenko' Nova that they would like nothing more than add 'verified by xXx' to it.

I think there are a few members who might actually have this tape, and might have bought the car if they hadn't asked a few questions first [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Tom, I'm pretty sure I already knew I could do a clone registry outside the SYC.

The guys with real cars like to argue that clones are a conduit for some poor unsuspecting buyer to be taken. I was just offering up a way to help minimize that concern.

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We have been down this road before, everyone. When going to Volo a while back, after learning a 69 SS350 purchase from a local Illinois dealer was a fraud, there were 9 69 Camaro's there. Z's SS's ect. Ony ONE was what it was supposed to be. I asked one of the Thamm Brothers why the inconsistency, and he told me "Joel, people don't care about numbers, they just want it to look good and go fast."
I think it is safe to say that 95% of the public doesn't care about numbers or authenticity, the other 5% reside here. If the masses spend big $$$ on parts and such, we can only wait for the "book" to come out for the real players............ [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]

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JOEL,
I DO BELIEVE THERE IS SOME TRUTH TO YOUR POST. HOWEVER, I THINK PEOPLE ARE TAKING MUSCLE CAR PURCHASES A LOT MORE SERIOUSLY BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH FRAUD AND DECEPTION TODAY BECAUSE THE VALUES OF THESE CARS HAVE INCREASED APPROX 20-25% OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS.I HAD A GUY COME AND INSPECT A 69 Z-28 I WAS SELLING AND HE SHOWED UP WITH A SPREAD SHEET OF ALL THE PART #'S. HE SPENT 3 HRS INSPECTING THE CAR AND PURCHASED IT AS WELL. HE TOLD ME THE 2 REASONS HE HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR A Z-28 WAS FOR AN INVESTMENT AND TO CURE HIS MID-LIFE CRISIS BEFORE THE PRICES GET WAY OUT OF HAND. JUST MY .02 CENTS. KP [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Any word from Jim yet on when the records will be released?

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If all goes as planned expect release in the fall.
Thanks,
Motown [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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Really?
What is expected?

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Anything for the Nova guys?

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ab C defghijklm N opqrstuvwxyz guess the Novas might be down the line [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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Really?
What is expected?

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You can expect to see a bunch of cars suddenly being listed for sale at excellent prices hoping for immediate sales. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]
Rick

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Probably true, but only back to about '81 or so?

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Probably true, but only back to about '81 or so?

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That won't be worth crap! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Probably true, but only back to about '81 or so?

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If the records don't go back prior to 1971 then they won't be of much help identifying cars.

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The way I understand it, once complete, we should be able to get information, such as original dealer, for '60s cars. I know much of this info exists and was told that it would be made available to GM. I hope I am correct.

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I could see them coming up with the Corvettes but the Camaro, Chevelle and Novas seem to be impossable because of the total amount. Way too many cars built. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

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Can somebody give me a little more info/background as to who Jim M. is and what info will be available when? I always wondered what info was available for ALL GM's since the Pontiac Historical Service started releasing info. Will data be released or will it be served on an as asked basis? Will it include everything Chevrolet from Corvair through Caprice up to '74? Is Alan Colvin really involved with this? -Hey, let me know if you need any help. haha

Thanks, Paul -patientaly waiting

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If you know of Pontiac Historical Service then you know of Jim M. One and the same and he is trying to get like information dealing with Chevy's as they did with the Pontiac info. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]

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I know what the PHS does, but never contacted or knew who was involved. Cool, thanks.

Paul

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Jim has worked his way through a majority of the records, but still working on and searching for many. This will cover the sixties cars including the Nova's Marlin. Wont be long, be careful what you buy right now as this is prime time for people who have "manufactured" documentation to be selling their cars. It will be nice to have the correct amount of 69 Z camaro's instead of twice as many. I will keep you posted with what is appropiate to discuss.
Thanks,
Motown [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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69-Z's?, It will be nice to see the correct number of all the cars, I have never seen so many RS/SS Camaros in my life, and how about all the 67 427 Vette's,and L-78 Novas, I can hardly wait for all the people with Clones to come to terms with what they own.

Bud.