Fathom Green Paint
 

My 1969 Camaro is ready for paint and I am not happy with the sample I got for Fathom Green. Does anyone know where I can get some color swatches or who produces a correct mix of paint?

Thanks in advance for your help.

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IF YOUR GOING TO BASE/CLEAR IT,DUPONT CHROMABASE IS A DEAD ON MIX,BUT I WOULD USE PPG CONCEPT CLEAR. THE PPG CLEAR HAS LESS PEEL IN IT WHEN FINISHED. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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<font color="green"> </font> Thanks I will check that out.

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Is the car going to be sprayed in a paint booth with a bake cycle? if it is i would use Sikkens autobase and auto clear for a indestructable finish,there color mixes are also perfect on older GM colors but not so great on newer GMs altho PPG concept is a great product i have experenced bonding problems when mixing different paint lines together. if its not going to get a bake cycle then dupont is the way to go... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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I have a fathom green 1969 Z/28, that was just painted about a year ago. We used PPG base coat clear coat. Came out perfect and if you ever have to fix anything or blow an area in, it matches and touches up well. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img] Sam

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I agree with Sam, I too have had good luck with PPG, and their paint matching ability. I just got some '69 Rallye Green back from a prophet match, looks good so far!

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Marlin mentioned useing a prophet, ie: a scanner to read a small chip of your paint. That may be a good option as many times paint jobbers will cross reference the old codes to new ones as some of the old mixing codes being laquer, don't have a BC/CC mixing code. Those newer mixes while close are not the same. Also BC/CC is going to be brighter, and have more color depth due to the clear coat. That alone will make it look like a different shade.
www.autocolorlibrary.com has chips, although they are hard to see.
I'd get a scan, and talk with a jobber who has experience in mixing older shades. Most places do'nt. Schonye

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Schoneye is right on re: the jobber's experience. I only go to paint supply stores where I know the guy behind the counter is also into restoration, they will know exactly what you want, why you want it that way, and how to get it for you!

For my R.Green car, the hardest part was finding an area on the car that still had some of the original paint. A prior paint job had been done on the car, including jambs, etc.. So, I pulled a fender and hacked out a piece of the cowl, got it scanned, and will then weld it back in. It can be a lot of work, but I want the paint to match what was put on the car back in '69, at that Nova plant, on that day!

Pic is before I bought the car, notice the replaced trunk lid - normally an excellent spot for a prophet!

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The last i knew PPG had a lifetime warranty on their concept line, I know because they paid me to repaint my Camaro when the paint started to laminate and chalk up after 6 mo, to make a long story short it did it again.

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The original paint is still left on the underside of my trunk lid, might be worth getting it scanned just for kicks. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

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Thanks for all the feedback. I just got a sample of the PPG color and it looks better than the first. The car was restored in 1985 and color was changed. It did not have any of the original color left. It has since been dip stripped so its all history now. I think part of the problem is that I am not a fan of Fathom Green (repaint was Lemans Blue) but its a really rare car so Green it is!!!!

Thanks again for the help

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Wait till it is done, then you will love fathom green! You will have a lot of depth with PPG paint,and the price of the paint will not blow your socks off. Good luck! Sam [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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I agree once it's done you'll love the Fathom green.

I'm curious about your opinion on dipping a car. are there any bad side effects?
I have a 69 Z/28 and I'm considering dipping it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif[/img]

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My painter told me when he started painting my car fathom green, he thought, Oh boy, is this ugly. But by the time he finished, he was saying Boy is this pretty. Must have been the fumes!

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I was concerned about some issues that I heard but I will tell you it was easier than trying to get the undercoating off by hand and it certainly showed some bad spots that would have been easy to miss by other methods.

If you want to ask me more questions let me know and I will send you my phone number.

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Will the trim tag have to be removed before chem dipping? In the past this was the case and some nice original cars have funny looking trim tags because of dipping process.

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Dipping also removes all of the factory dum dum, and seam sealer.Not a bad thing, just something to consider. There is dum dum in the holes on the trim tag, which when removed makes them look different. It can be easily replaced. As far as any damage to the metal of the tag, I don't see why it would. Schonye

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Some of the dips can attack aluminum. I'd pull the tag unless I'd seen other cars dipped at the same place with their tags......

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A local man here had his Car Dipped.
He Loved the out of tank results,but said the tank material had collected in the joint and seam areas.
When he finished Painting it,he could see bleed through of this chemical,and it wouldn't hold paint well,and it never went away.He complained to the Dipper who said there was nothing he would do.
I hope this is not the case for all of these places?

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On regards to the chemical strip process and it leaving the residue behind; I have done quite a few sets of rims this way and tend to need to lightly bead/sand blast media those seam areas prior to basing any color on any metal that has been prepped in this manner. Some of my fellow painters suggest thouroughly soap and water clean the seam areas. I considered this process as well on a couple 69 shells Ive done in the past and because of this result, I have decided to pay a local sand blast shop to go over areas such as this. Most painters like the hassle free event reducuing thier time involved but I agree this chemical residue can show up later after a car/metal being painted and It's a surmountable cost to fix these areas. Hope this helps [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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I have dipped several dozen cars all with no problemns. As for residue in the seams washing out with thinner and wire wheeling always take care of it. To get thinner into the seams simply fill up you paint gun and spray it in with high pressure then blow it out with a blow gun and repeat if necessary also wipe the thinner with rags before it dries (as you would with prep-sol) and this leaves it clean. I always da, wire wheel or sand the bare metal before applying a self-etch or epoxy primer.
As for trim tags ALWAYS REMOVE as the chemicals do eat the aluminum.