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Has anybody started a Judge registry?I would think it would be a very good way to see how many Judges are in different color combos.Plus have the owner list the engine and trans combo also.

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This site has a registry by region for all GTO's. GTO Registry

Also GTOAlley has alot of information.

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I've seen the GTO registry and I've check out the GTO Alley website and many other sites.Instead of being a mixture of GTO's and Judges on a registry,is there a Judge only registry?

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The GTOAA, through John Johnson does a survey. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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There's a guy on performanceyears.com that claims to have recorded a lot of cars, but he's careless with what he says. He says things as if they're absolutes when there's really no concrete evidence on colors and such.

From my observation, the second most popular color in 1969 is Liberty Blue.

In 1970, it seems the popular colors are Atoll Blue, Polar White, Pepper Green, Cardinal Red, and Orbit Orange, in no particular order. Mint Turquoise is most likely the rarest color.

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I've heard of John Johnson but was'nt sure if he was still doing his surveys.The guy on performance years website does he know what hes talking about?What kind of research has he done?Does he have a name?

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HI, I believe John still does the survey. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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I check out the performance years site and found an older post about Judge colors.If I have the right guy it seems that he has done alot of research on Judges.The only thing I noticed about the guy is his grammer when he writes.Another thing I noticed was he would let people know that the numbers that he has aren't 100% correct.As long as he is saying that the numbers aren't 100% correct,then I see nothing wrong with it.It seems that most of the people that have responded are either jealous of upset that they dont have what he has.I've been told that Pontiac never kept track of this but give the guy a break.

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All I can say is that I've probably participated in those discussions and nowhere can I say I've felt any jealousy (about what?https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif). Sure, his "grammer" may be poor, but someone has to be a stickler for the details. The level of knowledge on this site with the COPO/etc. crowd is much more concrete than what this guy has. It's cool that he's kept track of some of these cars, but he needs to be more professional with his statistics. At least that guy in CO with the Chevelle breakdown did his thing in a scientific way and makes no bones about it being more than educated speculation.

There's enough misinformation out there. We don't need people to be spreading more old wive's tales and such.

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If I upset you I'm sorry my intenion wasn't to do that.I agree that the guy needs to be more professional with his statistics.You mention that the information on COPO,Yenko cars ect are more concrete, well the information:(production #'s ect.)is already out there for these cars.Judge colors on the other hand are not, so with poor grammer not being professional or on the way he did his research I respect the guy. I'm sure that he put in alot of hours into it.

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Naah, I'm not upset. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

But the info on COPOs and stuff is not so concrete either. How many Yenkos were built in 1969? Were Novas COPOs or engine transplants? There's a world of mystery in all cars.

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My understanding is that:Yenko,Dick Harrell,Baldwin Motion,Nickey were all dealerships that transplanted the 427's and COPO cars are factory cars.Pontiac had the bobcat kit also this wasn't a factory option,it was a dealer install.I'm pretty sure that every manufactorier had something simular to yenko camaros and bobcated GTO's.

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You're right that COPOs are factory cars. But tell me where the concrete COPO info is? There is none. The best there is is Tonawanda production figures.

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With over 10,000+ coupes between 69 and 70 production, it would seem a very challenging task for an individual to undertake a successful registry.

Although we may not have a GM supplied list of VIN's for Judges (that I'm aware of), thank God we have PHS.

I have been collecting PHS sheets for Judges as they turn up on the web, but I have less than 50.

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I suppose nothing any more is 100% when your dealing with old car production numbers.I do have some yenko #'s I dont know how accurate they are but here go's:

1967 yenko camaro-54
1968 yenko camaro-64
1969 yenko camaro-201
1968 yenko nova 396 375hp-7
1968 yenko nova 427-30
1969 SYC nova 427-30
1970 yenko deuce-174
1971 yenko nova-52
1972 yenko nova-8
1965 yenko stinger corvair-200
1969 yenko chevelle 427-99

Like I said I dont know how accurate these numbers are,feel free to correct me if they are wrong.

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Your right 10,000+ Judges to account for is a pretty big task.With these forums and other forums in other websites maybe some day we'll have the info on this subject.What you and probably many other people are doing is a good start.

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gtaa9..please fill out your profile...

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I went and profiled my information.Why do you need the information for??

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It's easier to communicate if we know who we are BSing with...plus we will know where to send the million dollar grand prize when we do the drawing !! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif J/K of course but thanks for filling us in...

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The old profile police strike again, nasty creatures they are.

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Thanks Jeff. Welcome to the site. I think it just works out better when we know who we are talking to. I'm sure there are other reasons but I'm too tired to think of them.

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Steved was the reason we require it now ! Blame him. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/Charley.gif

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No problem I was just curious

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Were there any RAlV auto 70 Judge ragtops?From my understanding there were no 69 RAlV auto Judge ragtops.I've never seen one in any mag. or in person.

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Jeff I cannot answer that question factually.

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1971 yenko nova-52
1972 yenko nova-8


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Huh?

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I've been told yes and no thats why I ask.Does anybody know??

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Those yenko #'s I got from a friend dont ask me how he got them because I dont have a clue.He's a big camaro and chevelle nut and he has done some research on Yenko camaros,Yenko chevelles and Yenko novas.

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Yes, there were '70 Judge ragtops with auto. I'll find out how many today, and, get back with it later.

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6 Raiv auto 1970 Judges made, all 6 survived! Only 4 4spds have surfaced. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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The people that I've talk to in the past have told me that there were 6 and others saying 3-4 made.Then in the mix of all this I was also told that there were none made.I'm looking forward to your response.

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WOW 6 is the # thats cool pretty rare either way you slice it.Are all 6 cars in a collection?Or are some in the hands of a private owner?Thanks alot for the information Judgesragtop.

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Hi, The # is six according to McCarthy book, but I've heard unconfirmed rumor of the 7th.The autos held up much better. There were 18 total made, funny, only 4 sticks surfaced, mine(red)another red, silver & green. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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Were can I acquire this book?As of now I own a 70 Judge HT RAlll 4speed Palladium Silver.Ten years ago I sold my 70 Judge HT Atoll Blue RAlll Auto.How many Judgs have you own in the past?

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It's out of print...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...nce&s=books
Good Luck!
-Sam

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Thank you very much for the info.

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As I was reading through the discussion on Judge colors in the Pontiac Years forum.There is a discussion about going through PHS for the Judge colors.They said it would take alot of man hours and money to do the research.I would think every Judge owner has PHS docs.With that said made a registry and have the Judge owners put all necessary info(color combo,drivetrain ect.) on the registry.

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Not every Judge has survived so to use the PHS docs that are out there would not be a 100% accurate count, although a start. I have spoken to Jim M regarding software that can covert the microfilm to a digital format. You then need to index it and make the data searcheable by option codes and VIn numbers, paint codes etc. It would be very time consuming with most of the work being done at the programming/ indexing level. Remember the sequence of options or their position on the document is not always in the same place. Paint codes and VIN's are in the same place. The OCR engine needs to be very robust and be able to do key word searches( codes ) to do this. It can be done, but remember GM owns these documents and they may not allow this to happen. Although it would take me a lot of time I would be willing to take PHS docs of Judges that are presently owned by collectors and put them into a data base. I would be willing to sign a confidentiality agreement that only color codes and option code breakdowns be released. No VIN or ownership data would ever be released and ownership data would be destroyed after the data has been processed. We could then breakdown the statistics to what has survived. Just a thought. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Being accurate on these numbers would be a problem but like you said get a database going and tally up what comes in.It would'nt be accurate but it would give a general idea on how many are out there in differant color combos.

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I've been told that there was two special order colors for the 71 Judge vert.One was green and the other yellow,what was those two colors call?