realistic price for 70 Z-28
 

Anyone with knowlege of these cars care to comment on what is a fair price for a body off restored NOM 70 Z-28 t400 car with docs?

Complete as orig.,with all pollution stuff, heads,manifolds,alt orig,some orig eng parts rest are correct casting numbers, close dates etc., with the exception of exhaust from the manifolds back is flowmaster system with the transverse muffler, and goodyear radials.
z-21, vf3, c50, citrus with blk std. int. blk stripes (as orig equipped)

There is such a wide range of prices its hard to say what is realistic without giving it away.

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There's a Forest Green RS with matching numbers that has a Buy-it now price of $24,900. I've seen 4-spd cars listed for well over $30,000; I can't beleive the T-400 would hurt the value so much but, apparently, it does.

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Thanks for the reply,

Yes, its odd the automatic hurts the value considering they are 4 times as rare as the 4-spd .
In terms of collectability, the auto is much rarer.

Some people, and perhaps rightly so, depending on how you look at it, consider a 4 spd a necessary ingredient in a Z-28. I think its a carryover of 1st gen thinking on the Z's, but I like 4 spds and auto's.

I am trying to not gauge the price so much using ebay, as a lot of those cars haven't been particularly well restored and the completeness is lacking.
Some have been (debatably) clones.
Also not many have GM documentation as I do.
What hurts my car price wise is the non-original to car block.

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It's very hard to judge and put a price on it without seeing the car in person or even some good quality pictures. You're right the NOM hurts the car but I would think it could be worth $22-25k range. Again this is based on not seeing the car. If the car was a complete numbers car and in pristine condition you are looking into the $30K range or more depending on condition, rarity of options, etc.

These cars have seen a pretty good increase in value the last couple of years and can be expected to climb.

Rick H.

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I realise its easier with pictures or seeing the car in person.
The car is getting its stripes applied later this week,
and is at the body shop in preparation for that and a wetsand/polish.
When I get it back I can post pics,that would probably help.

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If the car was a complete numbers car and in pristine condition you are looking into the $30K range or more depending on condition, rarity of options, etc.

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Probably quite a bit more.

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If the car was a complete numbers car and in pristine condition you are looking into the $30K range or more depending on condition, rarity of options, etc.

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Probably quite a bit more.

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I agree Bob!
Second generation cars are
finally on the band wagon of $$$$

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2nd gens are fun! Especially with big honkin' motors. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Hey Darren...I am fixing to build a 427 for my Nova. What do you have in that Z28? I am looking for suggestions for mine.

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If the car was a complete numbers car and in pristine condition you are looking into the $30K range or more depending on condition, rarity of options, etc.

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Probably quite a bit more.

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I agree Bob!
Second generation cars are
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I am going to agree and disagree. Not all second gen Camaros are going to bring big money. Only one in my opinion and that is the 1970 L78 Camaro. With only 600 copies made it should be the premier second gen to own.

When I say not yet I mean today, maybe in few years they will demand bigger dollars. It will happen.

Rick H.

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If the car was a complete numbers car and in pristine condition you are looking into the $30K range or more depending on condition, rarity of options, etc.

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Probably quite a bit more.

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I agree Bob!
Second generation cars are
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I am going to agree and disagree. Not all second gen Camaros are going to bring big money. Only one in my opinion and that is the 1970 L78 Camaro. With only 600 copies made it should be the premier second gen to own.

When I say not yet I mean today, maybe in few years they will demand bigger dollars. It will happen.

Rick H.

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First I should clarify, I was referring to the sec. gen. Z28 cars.

Rick... While logically your point makes good sense, many people get fed up with the search of trying to find an original 70 L-78 and end up buying a solid, original, documented (what have you) 1970 Z28 because they are more readily available in excellent condition. The last few publicly sold 70 L-78 Camaros all had NOM (in one form or another). The buyers drive the market and if no one buys or sells any of those 600 Camaros than how can you properly measure the market?

I agree... lets wait and see.

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I started looking for a 70 Z28 about 2 years ago. At that time there were some pretty decent ones for around 18. When I found the one I wanted a year and a half ago, it was 25. I think the prices will continue to rise on them.

PS..Thanks Darren.

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Having looked at 25-30 70Z's for over a year here's my observations.

1.A super nice, done right, 70 will cost you 45K-50k+ assuming you can find one. And if you do find one of these you better buy it on the spot or someone else will get it before you.

2. Anything restored even if restored poorly will get 40K.

3. Restored but missing correct engine 30-35k.

4. The hardest part about buying a 70Z is finding a nice one. I was getting to the point of giving up I was so frustrated..seriously.

I'd say list it on E-Bay with a nice presentation and let the process do the rest.

Good Luck!

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Having looked at 25-30 70Z's for over a year here's my observations.

1.A super nice, done right, 70 will cost you 45K-50k+ assuming you can find one. And if you do find one of these you better buy it on the spot or someone else will get it before you.

2. Anything restored even if restored poorly will get 40K.

3. Restored but missing correct engine 30-35k.

4. The hardest part about buying a 70Z is finding a nice one. I was getting to the point of giving up I was so frustrated..seriously.

I'd say list it on E-Bay with a nice presentation and let the process do the rest.

Good Luck!

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Hmmm so what would you think a 1970 Z/28 with solid body and complete interior but missing the motor and tranny would be worth? Car is solid but needs restoring. In your opinion. I am being serious and find this topic interesting.

Rick H.

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35 to 50k is no longer considered big money unfortunately. You won't find a CORRECTLY restored Z for anywhere near 35k anymore IMO...everything has gone up and so goes the 70 1/2 Z's...and the 71+ Chevelles and ....on and on...nothing cheap anymore.

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35 to 50k is no longer considered big money unfortunately. You won't find a CORRECTLY restored Z for anywhere near 35k anymore IMO...everything has gone up and so goes the 70 1/2 Z's...and the 71+ Chevelles and ....on and on...nothing cheap anymore.

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Ain't that the truth...Speak it, Bob!

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It kind of sucks actually...I guess it just depends on what you want/like....

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Man...Mine was a steal then. All original driveline, metal, glass, trim, 67000 miles. POP, 3 build sheets.

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Time marches on !

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Is someone thinking of selling an Orange one? It is one of the best I have seen in a long time. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Some values have been posted on some top of the line cars but what about some lower condition 70 Z's. As I asked above what about a 1970 Z/28 with solid body and complete interior but missing the motor and tranny would be worth? Car is solid but needs restoring. I.E. paint, interior work, etc..

Lets go to the lower end of the curve.

Rick H.

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Hmmm so what would you think a 1970 Z/28 with solid body and complete interior but missing the motor and tranny would be worth? Car is solid but needs restoring. In your opinion. I am being serious and find this topic interesting.

Rick H.

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Rick, honestly I don't know.

I was specifically looking for a correctly done car. After a while I realized that was going to be next to impossible at any price so I started looking for something that was pretty close but might need minor work. Thats why I damn near cried when I missed Jack's car the 1st time and why I was bound and determined not to miss it twice:)

From what I've seen though, if you mean NO motor/trans then probably dirt cheap. Like under 10K. Maybe way under? If you mean wrong motor/trans then obviously more. I know one thing. Finding a car like that isn't hard. Obviously people haven't been restoring 70's the way they have 69's. At least not yet.

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Tom,
Are you talking about the Z Jack had at Carlisle this year? You bought that one?

Rick H.

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Probably can find some very nice cars under 30k...problem is the damn parts have gone idiotic too....distributor,carb and that damn 837 alternator..

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Tom,
Are you talking about the Z Jack had at Carlisle this year? You bought that one?

Rick H.

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No..I have his Citrus Green Z from 2004 Carlisle.

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Ok now I know which one. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Rick H.

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Probably can find some very nice cars under 30k...problem is the damn parts have gone idiotic too....distributor,carb and that damn 837 alternator..

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I have the correct 110 intake, dist, carb, voltage regulator and a few other correct parts. I have a line on the dreaded damn 837 alternator but the guy wants ridiculous money for it. Collecting parts but not sure I want to do a correct restoration when I have my heart set on a day 2 theme.

Maybe I should just sell the damn thing and save myself the aggravation. Hmmm.

Rick H.

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A year ago I bid on a 1970 Z28 project. It was all original (motor, trans, rear) but needed some new metal. 2 rear quarters and a deck lid. Had p-o-p and owner history and maybe some build sheets yet to be found. Cool color combo, Camaro Gold on black (no console M-21) with black stripes. Dash wood grain, custom seats, custom seat belts too, am/fm, p/s, p/b, remote mirror. I stopped bidding after $8,500. The car needed everything even the smog equit. After I priced out a lot of parts (with the help of you guys) I figured I was digging too deep. Whopps! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

Place that car in 2005... How much does it go for?
High teens? Low twenties?

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Is someone thinking of selling an Orange one? It is one of the best I have seen in a long time. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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You could probably buy it for around 15k. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Heres a scenario.

Car decent shape no motor no tranny 6k
correct (nom) engine and access. 8k
correct trans. and access. 1k
paint and body 8k
chrome and trim 3k
interior 2k
I'm already at 28k on this list, and there is way more that would have to be added ie:,suspension,brakes,fuel,electrical,weatherstrip ping,assembly labor...

I know my carb cost me 600.00,a correct functioning diverter valve 440.00, torque convertor 450.00.. etc etc.

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I must have gotten a deal on my '70 Z. Hugger Orange, white stripes, deluxe sandalwood interior, 4.10's, M-22, RS, AM FM, matching #'s front to back and only $2,900 with fresh paint........Oh yea, that was in 1980. Glad I still have it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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I bought my first 70 Z/28 for $1500.00 off a used car lot. Hugger Orange, black standard interior, M-21 no console. The year was 1974. Drove the snot out of it never thinking that 30 years later the car would be worth more then what my parents paid for their house.

I now have a 70 Z that needs to be done. Classic Copper, standard sandlewood interior, M-21, no console. $1500.00 doesn't buy me the correct tires and wheels!!

Day 2 all the way with this one. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

Rick H.

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Collecting parts but not sure I want to do a correct restoration when I have my heart set on a day 2 theme

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If you go day 2 you don't have to rack your brain matching numbers and date codes. Just have fun! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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If you go day 2 you don't have to rack your brain matching numbers and date codes. Just have fun! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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And it still will be worth a good dollar as well. I said good not the best top dollar.

Rick H.

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There seem to be quite a few claimed numbers matching 70-71 Z28's in very good condition out there for low 20's to 30K. Then all of the sudden you see some frame off cars that are listed for $45-50K. So I would think a NOM car would be in the mid teens to mid 20's. But it really seem to depend on how accurately it was restored. The question is, are some of these 70-71 Z28's actually selling in the $45-55K range or are those cars asking that and actually getting in the 30's? My comments are based on observations of cars I see for sale, not based on known sales.

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Based on the original post.....frame off, correct components execpt NOM, and documents would put this car in the 30's somewhere in my opinion but I know prices can always be debated. I've had my eye out for a correct documented 70Z for quite awhile and they just don't appear that often which is why I'm including 71Z's in my hunt. Most of these Z's have been modified or lived a tougher life. I have someone checking on a 70Z this week that I may or may not take a pass on. Prices on these models have been on a quick rise in the last year like many others.

If anyone is looking for a 70Z I would be happy to share what I know about the one someone is examining for me this week....if I take a pass on it.

Some fella in Michigan had a very nice unrestored 70Z listed with very low miles earlier this year. He changed his mind and took it off the market....probably got a zillion phone calls and learned the car was worth more than he realized. This car would have been a bargain at his listed price of mid 40's if I remember correctly.

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Jeff,

Yes, I know of at least a half dozen sales for between 43-50k. 3 of those I can personally verify were real.

I also know of a very correct 71 that went for 36K. I know because I offered 35k and didn't get it. Personally I think 70's have a premium over 71's but thats me.

The most "expensive" sale I know of ,relatively speaking,was a 70 for 40k that was all messed up. Car had a saddle, standard interior swichted to black, 1/2 deluxe with wrong steering wheel..wtf? Also, wasn't fully numbers matching, missing smog,dist,alt exh man. and more.

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http://www.manheimgold.com/car_lo.html

Don't go by what some yahoos are paying on Ebay.

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Hmmmm...this seems a bit low for 1967 Z/28's...Am I wrong?
Taken from the above listed website...
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1967 CHEVY/CAMARO Z-28 2D HARDTOP(602 mfg)

Dsp/HP 302/290 Eng V8

Fair 20,000
Good 28,000
Exc 41,000
Show 48,000


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WOW... Look at what the same site says about (gulp) a
ZL-1!!!

1969 CHEVY/CAMARO ZL-1 Dsp/HP Eng 2D HARDTOP (69 mfd) 427/430 V8

Fair $45,000
Good $85,000
Exc $115,000
Show $140,000
Loan H $77,000

Add: Alum block 427 $20k

Data updated July 17, 2005 .


Must be based upon bonified auction results...?? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

I guess if you have a loss you can expect the insurance Co to dredge numbers up like this to hammer you with. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

Phil