1963 super duty Grand Prix
 

Does anybody know if there is any 1963 super duty Grand Prix around. I was with a friend this weekend who once owned one new.

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there were only 3 made,NEVER actually seen one.One was steel and 2 had alu front ends.Tom

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The one my friend bought new I seen the window sticker and build sheet to. The build sheet said light wieght metal front end. He said they actually put a light wieght metal in the dies to make the sheet metal. What amazed me was how much the Super Duty option was.

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Actually..I think Larry Swiatek had one new in your area of town...Did you see the build sheet? They usually say ALUMINUM on them...not light weight metal...TJS...I sent you an e-mail..John here is a pic of a repro window sticker for the SD I owned...the build sheet indicated aluminum...Jim M said the steel front or aluminum front had no price differenc...all the money was in the motor !!! This was a loaded aluminum car !!! The original owner was jake Howard who went over the border to a tiny town and picked it up...later went thru some weird stuff and wound up in Michigan. A fellow name Dimitri Toth got ahold of it,he worked at Pontiac...and brought it back to life ...supposedly with the help of George DeLorean and Tom Nell...T-400 was in the car when I got it which alledgedly came out of Mr Unswitchable GTO funny car...I still have the adapter made at GM to install a BOP T-400 to an early Pontiac block...

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Yes Bob I seen the line sheet and i remember light wieght metal and when I asked Larry he said it was metal I guess some stock cars also recieved theese light wieght sheet metal. I think the Grand Prix stickered around 3600.00

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Ah yes the infamous Demitri car you snaked from me!LOL,Tom

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I was a few owners after that I think Tom !!!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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I thought you bought it from Chip?Tom

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Never heard of him....I think it was a part of a bigger deal and this one was the black sheep of the herd

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the car was bought by Reggie Jackson with a blk 62 SD car.Reggie only wanted the blk car and had his "guy" Chip sell the 63 car.I answered a ad,went down to Newport to see the car and struck a deal,(I thought).I told Chip I would have the founds transfered the next week.I called next week to setup the tranfer and he told me he already sold the car.Found out later it was sold for more than the asking price to someone else.Sorry if I thought that someone else was you.Tom

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That would be Chip Gerst. He used to reside in NJ, then moved to CA. First brokering cars for Coddington, then hooked up with Reggie.
He's the "big" fellow you always see standing next to Reggie on the auction block at BJ.

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You wouldn't have like it anyway !!!

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it needed work when I saw it and there was also a title problem.It had a T 400,no exhaust and plexi windows when I saw the car.The price was very right at the time so NBD to put back correct.Tom

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It was the only S/D With factory Plexiglass Windows that I had ever seen. I believe the factory exhaust would have been a single muffler and tail pipe.

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actually the Swiss Cheese cars had plexy.

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I put the 4 speed in it ....I still have that adapter for the T400....think there is any market for something like that to be reproduced Tom ???

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2 0r 3 people already make them.Nunzi has them for sure,also have another guy that does.Put it on ebay.Tom

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Bet they aren't as good as this one...you need it ?

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thanks but really not a auto guy!Tom

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tjs44,

Have seen the Packer '63 and I don't recall it having plexi windows. I was at Dan Jensen's where it was stored by Scott Tieman until owner picked it up. Have a bunch of pics...

Interesting thing about the frame is that the holes were punched BEFORE the metal of the frame was bent to make the frame. Holes did not line up but overlaped each other. Single exhaust, no radio, heater, or anything else. Scott had a '62 SD Alum he was working on at the time.

Don't recall Scott or Dan saying anything about the windows. Doesn't mean they did not say anything. I guess I could e'mail them and find out.

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Bill Blair has one,will ask him,I thought the SC cars had plexy and the battery in the trunk from the factory.Im also sure they were like the SD tempest with single exhaust.Tom

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I checked and the plexy was a option on them also.The Royal car had it put in after it was delivered.They did come with the battey in the trunk.Tom

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BelAir.......Next time you see Don Stanley from TSI Transmissions, talk to him about the early 60's Pontiacs......he had a Black 62 that was a Terror on the local strips back then.......at the time Don worked at Hydro-Motive.......anyone remember that place???

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ouguysrock.gif

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I haven't seen him in many years !!

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Talking about SD Pontiacs, I pulled the following quote from Amazon.com. It's a consumer review of Jim Wangers book... damn, those Super Duty's were fast!!

"Mr. Wanger's book is an interesting historical perspective on the development of the muscle car era at the Pontiac division. It seems to be a very complete history of the development of the GTO with details that can only be known by a industry insider.My only criticism is that that while he alludes to the real bad boy Super Duties in several places he never really spells out what they were "bad to the bone, dual quad, 12to1 compression ratio 421's" These were truly Pontiac's finest hour. He also does not do justice to the great Malcolm MacKeller who's genius was responsible for the development of a whole series of camshafts used at Pontiac including the Super Duties.

Wangers remembers lots of racing in the book and the cheating that often took place, but he does not recount the night that after bragging that he had the fastest " GTO on Woodward " he ran a race against a 1962 white Catalina with a real 421 Super Duty not a consumer version with three two's. The outcome of that encounter very well could be deeply repressed as the Catalina led him by a football field at a 110 mph.

This encounter happened in 1967 and it might be called Wolf in Sheep's Clothing or The Night Encounter with Super Duty #3 vin#16373. All in all I would recommend this book to anyone for Pontiac history but it's not the last word on the subject."

I wish I could have seen the race!

Paul