Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Anyone know where car #66 is?
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Ebay Auction ZL-1 #66

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Quote from seller:
"This car was either crushed by my employees or stolen,really not sure...It breaks my heart everyday, Just thinking about how I tossed this car around like a piece of junk!!!!!!"http://bears.hosttown.com/style_emot...efault/run.gif

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I don’t believe it’s gone, my crystal ball tells me its somewhere out west? Since Bill still has the title to the car, I told him to do a title search starting in Colorado. I'm trying to help him locate it, any help would be appreciated.

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I'd be amazed of this auction runs the course.

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Isn't this the same car someone from the east coast tried to claim at Scottsdale 2 years ago ?I remember reading about him showing up with a title and trying to claim the silver car.

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watch out for this one a good friend of mine told me about these motors years ago look at be rear suppose to be a re stamp butt i did not actually view it myself this is second hand info judge it as u will

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Beware of this auction! Car #66 has been in Arizona since the late 70's, and remains here.

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I am the guy who listed this motor on ebay, This motor is REAL never touched, I want the wining bidder to bring cash and view this motor with his own 2 eyes to see that I am no joke. And for you people out west, You must not NO that this car was raced its whole life in the EAST COAST!!!!,At many different race tracks, I would hate to be the guy who claims he own's a FAKE CAR!!!!! I DON'T PLAY GAMES!!!!!

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Is this the car that Pat Mcgroeder owns or owned ? As I recall, someone tried to report it stolen when it was seen listed on Ebay but Pat had proof of ownership that went back to long before the car was reported stolen.

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Charley

You are 100% correct regarding #66

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I am the guy who listed this motor on ebay, This motor is REAL never touched, I want the wining bidder to bring cash and view this motor with his own 2 eyes to see that I am no joke. And for you people out west, You must not NO that this car was raced its whole life in the EAST COAST!!!!,At many different race tracks, I would hate to be the guy who claims he own's a FAKE CAR!!!!! I DON'T PLAY GAMES!!!!!

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Hi Bill...do you own another Copo or is this the same one you're referring to in your previous posting in '05? .

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~ Pete

04/16/05
"...Hi Ed, I am the guy from Ct that ownes this burgundy copo. Yes you are right it was a race car from day one. This car was purchased new by Debs Speed Shop, Oakville, Ct. Any other info. or pictures would be a great help. Thank You!!!!..."

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vodoo...Are you claiming that car # 66 that Mcgroeder owns or owned is fake ? I know Pat owned it for a long time and he is a very competent attorney. If there was a problem with it being a rebody or fake he most certainly would have resolved it. The car was on Ebay a couple years ago being sold I think by Desert Autosport ? Someone from your neck of the woods tried to claim it as their car and I think was arrested ? Was that you ? We think you are the guy that had the Copo Camaro and LS6 Chevelle convert that were very real so apparently you did have some serious cars but making a statement about someones ZL1 being a fake is a serious claim and could get you in hot water if you have nothing to back it up. You might have the engine and rear but that does not make the car a fake. In your auction you claim either you crushed the car or your employees stole it. I would think you would still have the title to it ?
Anyone who knows the owner of 66 might tell him to look into this auction because it would be neat to get the orig engine and rear back with the car if it proves out real.

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Popcorn with lots of butter. Please

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As you all know there are two sides to every story. Bill has stated that he owned the car since the 80’s. He removed the drivetrain from the car and placed it in his salvage yard. At some point the car disappeared. He does not know it was crushed or stolen. If it were crushed, then #66 is gone. How can #66 be in Arizona, unless it’s a fake? If were stolen, well then that’s a legal issue between Bill and whoever has car #66. I feel Bill has every right to know what happened to his vehicle, as I'm sure most of you would want some sort of closure.

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My understanding is the car in Arizona was purchased from the orig owner in 1977 and has paperwork to back it up. 1977 predates Bill owning it in the 80's. As I recall, law enforcement got involved in arizona a couple years ago and the paperwork and car were proven to be real. The car is still in Arizona. If it was Bill that tried to claim the car a couple years ago and he had a case why is it still in Arizona ? Maybe Bill was sold a fake in the 80's ?
ZL1#17...Did Bill tell you anything about trying to get the car back when Desert Autosport had it on Ebay ? Did he say what the outcome was ? The fact that it is still in Arizona even after law enforcement was involved tells me they own the car.

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Charlie, you are going to have to keep an open mind here… First of all, who in the right mind would sell a ZL-1 clone with the real engine and drivetrain? Second, Bill has paperwork from the CT DMV that verifies the hidden VIN’s on the car in question. That means Bill had to physically remove the cowl cover and the heater box for the DMV inspector. Bill has documentation of this, so whoever disputes this is disputing the CT DMV. We all know what’s at stake here but the TRUTH shall prevail.

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Hi Charley,
Yes I am the guy who own's the COPO and LS6 conv. Yes I am the guy who made a stink about the car# 66, No I was not arrested. How can I be arrested when I never signed over ownership. At that time any vehicle 10 years or older in the State of CT had to be present for inspection at the Department Of Motor Vehicle. My car vin# 124379N644311 was registered that way. So how can anyone call my car a fake? If you can call my car a fake that means you are also calling the Department Of Motor Vehicle a fake? Before you answer anything I have said remember I still have the original driveline!!! The other car someone claims to own must be all restamped!!! Any law enforcement agent is welcome anytime. I have laid my had down, but I still have the river card left.
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Bill...If it was you that tried to claim the car why were you not successful ? Did you not get law enforcemet involved ? You show a 1999 registration. So you had the car in your posession in 99 and it disappeared ? I think in 99 a ZL1 was probably worth a couple hundred thousand dollars. When did you notice your car missing ? Did you report it stolen back then ? This is like 20 questions. We are not hearing the whole story here.

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I don’t believe it’s gone....Bill still has the title to the car....I'm trying to help him locate it, any help would be appreciated.

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So then why is the supposedly original motor and rear axle up for auction on eBay https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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Perhaps the auction is an information gathering exercise? Wierd situation. There has to be more to this story. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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What year was the Hidden vin # checked by the state??

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I have a great idea...why don't you take this all to the proper authorities and see where it takes you. When it all gets straightened out..come on back and let us all know what happened.

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so, you have a ZL1 and you take out the drive train and park your car in the junk yard. you continue to renew your registration. you lose the transmission. someone then claims to have your car out west (your VIN?) for sale on Ebay. In order to get to the bottom of this and find your car, you put the motor and rear up for sale (hoping to flush out the persons that have the car that is actually yours, right?) OK, I got it all figured out, right?
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lets all take another smoke break.

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no disrespect to anyone involved, all parties innocent until proven otherwise.

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Now THAT'S funny!!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Santa now that uve joined our website ive been asking for a ZL1 OR Adriana Lima for christmas for years i will take one of those gifts please!! thank u jeff P.S after all these years ive finally been good

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[b]"This car was either crushed by my employees or stolen,really not sure...It breaks my heart everyday, Just thinking about how I tossed this car around like a piece of junk!!!!!!"

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This should make it much clearer X !!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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I'm with COPO on this one...sounds like there's more to the story? .

If there is more and Bill is the victim, I'd hope he lets us all know the whole story...if nothing else comes forth, I'd suspect he knows more and isn't saying for a reason? .
For me, that would then make the not sure if it's been stolen/crushed story more of a question and after the Nova situation of late, I'd start wondering about rebody issues? .

Ownership of whatever exists aside, hopefully the 'real' car survives somewhere intact, even if in poor shape and can be restored and reunited with it's real parts wherever they are! .

Lastly, that sure doesn't look like a cigarette Santa's holding...like the bottom of the ad notes, maybe he's toasted too? .

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~ Pete

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Kim............Me

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Santa now that uve joined our website ive been asking for a ZL1 OR Adriana Lima for christmas for years i will take one of those gifts please!! thank u jeff P.S after all these years ive finally been good

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I hope that is not too blunt. -santa

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Damn u are really santa ! i believe ! p.s i delete the porn! lol jeff

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ok. seriously now, there are some good questions on the floor for the seller of the motor.
What was the last year you saw your car?
When and why did the CT state DMV check your hidden VIN?
Was this procedure done on the car "out west"?
Was any inspection of the VIN of the "out west" car done?
What are the chances your car was sold(without your knowledge) and restored/rebodied ?
I dont think anyone here wants to put a victim of a crime on the defensive, but lets get some of the blanks filled in.

It is terrible to lose a car. I had a 1966 Caprice 396/325 stolen from me and I'm still pissed. ( I know who did it, they stripped it and crushed it.)

I know in NY older vehicles are sold without titles, just transferable registration stubs. In reality you could sell your vehicle out of state yet continue to register a non existant vehicle.

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I have lots of information on this car. As of now I will not say much. The truth will come out soon. I am not trying to get back a car that I am 95% sure was crushed. I did contact Desert Autosport when the car was listed. He stated that the car was all 100% original #'s matching. As you can see on my listing on ebay thats not true. There has been many different storys about this car. All these storys have come from out west. If it were not for computers I would never no this was going on. Someone would be out a whole lot of money for a ZL1 #'s matching fake. Its been over 3 years and I have never heard from the owner that claims to own this car, if its really out west. As I posted before my ZL1 #66 vin#124379N644311 was a race car in the east coast at several different race tracks as a pro stock. My phone # is posted why is this person lost, missing, on vacation, does not own a computer, has no friends to tell him whats going on, or maybe he is still in the barn that the GHOST came from!!! I do not need this car! I own over 100 muscle cars, Yes 100 its true!! I just will not watch anyone get burned if I can help! Thank You!!!

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Rick, light butter and large rootbeer for me...

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This is better than TV. Woo hoo.

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I know in NY older vehicles are sold without titles, just transferable registration stubs. In reality you could sell your vehicle out of state yet continue to register a non existant vehicle.


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Thats messed up... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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I know in NY older vehicles are sold without titles, just transferable registration stubs. In reality you could sell your vehicle out of state yet continue to register a non existant vehicle.


[/ QUOTE ] In Alabama and GA it's done every day of the week......

JH

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Just a reminder for anyone posting to please just stick to facts. This is a serious situation and I am asking people to treat it that way.

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Vodoo, this is quite easy to resolve. Go to your local State Police in Ct. Speak to an investigator. Give him all your information, a copy of your title (registration). Swear out an affadavit. Give him all your information regarding the ZL1. He should in turn make arrangements for an NICB agent to call the vehicle in question for an examination at it's present State (location). Then let the cards fall where they may, many questions will be answered. This is only fair to you and the present owner. I would suggest you also have your existing engine examined.

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He stated that the car was all 100% original #'s matching. As you can see on my listing on ebay thats not true.

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Vodoo, with all due respect, your eBay listing does nothing to prove or disprove anything related to a specific car. The only readable numbers in your pictures are casting numbers, which don't tie your parts to any one car.

You say you don't need this car, but it sure appears like you have a lot of interest in it https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Read vin# on the side block listed on ebay, VERY CLEARLY THEY ARE 644311. Thank You!!!!!