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What do you guys think of these and how is the market on them?
I know where a 71 T-37 has been sitting next to a shed for the last 17 years without an engine.
I read up on these some back when I was gung ho Pontiac and had a 69 GTO.
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In the first picture, the hood it not bent up, that is a cat lounging in the shade.

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--------Wanna sell the cat???.........Bill S

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Not mine, just a vagrant cat. Poor homeless thing. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/laugh.gif

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It will cost about the same to restore a Lemans as it will a GTO. GTOs and especially Ram Air cars are very saleable for a decent dollar. I don't think the same can be said for the various Lemans lines regardless of options.

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T 37 is worth nothing and a GT 37 is worthy.. Not GTO worthy but worth saving..

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OK, I don't know much about those cars, BUT I do know a guy who had one. It had BOTH emblems on it, T-37 and GT-37. He couldn't get ALL the same emblems, so had to sub. the others for the car. Never did find out the difference or what one was correct. The guy who owned it a while back is a friend. I do know it was a 1971 version T/GT-37. Car was/is BLACK on BLACK bench seat 4 speed car. Factory 455 HO with 4.11's. Car is GM Canada documented 1971 455 HO, M22, 4.11 12 bolt car. NICE CAR and different. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif

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That HO must be in the Brantford area??

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YEP https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Been here for YEARS. The guy who has it now, bought it from the guy I know. I'm 41 now and he had it when I was 16. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif

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I thought the only difference was the GT-37 had the GTO rear valance with cutouts for the exhaust.
T, and GT could be ordered with GTO powertrain options and even some options not available for the GTO. You gould get a coupe with the convertible frame. They came standard with rubber floors and bench seats since they were lighter.

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OK, I don't know much about those cars, BUT I do know a guy who had one. It had BOTH emblems on it, T-37 and GT-37. He couldn't get ALL the same emblems, so had to sub. the others for the car. Never did find out the difference or what one was correct. The guy who owned it a while back is a friend. I do know it was a 1971 version T/GT-37. Car was/is BLACK on BLACK bench seat 4 speed car. Factory 455 HO with 4.11's. Car is GM Canada documented 1971 455 HO, M22, 4.11 12 bolt car. NICE CAR and different. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif

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Very rare car, I would like to see documentation on the 4.11 rear...3.55 was the numerically highest gear available and have never heard of a factory car built with any thing higher. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

FWIW, in '70-'71, the GT-37 was an option to the base T-37. Kinda like "the poor man's GTO". I believe all GTO engine options were available for the GT-37.

Either way, it's still a very cool car and would love to park it next to my '72 HO WW5 car. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...-I-Have-It.gif

Mike

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I will look into it. I recall that my first car, 1968 GTX rag CLONE and I want to run this guy as everyone was telling me how fast this car was, BUT never beside anyone! I had a 440 Hemi 4sp. with Dana and 4.10's and L60 X 15 rear tires. The GT-37 had skinny small tires and kept complaining when he'd take the car on the highway as it was revving, and those Pontiacs don't like the RRRR's. I still see this guy all the time and will ask just to make sure next time.
Yes it was and is a cool car, in great shape. John https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif

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somewhere there is a good thread on these, a guy that used to hang with us was into them and new allot about them.

it was Steve and went by steves on hear or something like that??

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Total number of '71 GT-37, 455 HO cars built is 54...no other breakdown is available. The current guesstimate is 34 stick and 20 auto cars. Being a Canadian car and Starlight black would make this one rare Pontiac. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/drool.gif

Here's a little info... http://gtoalley.com/gt37.html

Boy, I would REALLY like to see the docs on this car. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

Mike

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Our '72 Lemans Sport came from the Oshawa factory with the 400, M20 4 speed, and 3.55 posi 12 bolt rearend. According to the brochure, the car could have been ordered with a 455. I installed a '70 455, the 360 hp version advertised at 500 ft/lb torque. With a 230 degree cam, .480 lift, and headers, the car is considerably quicker than our L78 4.10 geared Chevelle. You just might want to have your 440 running well into the 12s, if this guy is as quick as people think. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif It would be an interesting race to see. Those old Pontiacs are pretty responsive to tuning and are pretty easy to work on as well.

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Well, my 440 WAS fast for the day. FIRST pass ever down the 1/4 when I was 16 was a 13.61, then 13.60 next pass. Street tire thru muffler, back in about 1983. Car did run 12.60 slick open headers. I would have beat him pretty good back then, but after I made a pass in front of him, he wouldn't go.

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The ultimate T-37 455 HO. Ran 11:30s in 1971 with a dealer installed 4.10 gear.

It is set up to run easy, wheel lifting, consistent 12.00s today, so no roll bar required.

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Here's that link I've posted before to a site w/ T-37 & GT-37 info & production figures..
Bit of a dickaround getting the link to work as it lands on some pics no matter what page you try linking but look at the bottom of the page and click on the GT-37 link..
Not quite sure what they've got going there w/ production figures either...it seems to only list hardtops, not the post cars??.

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=ht...6lr%3D%26sa%3DN

And where'd that lad go who posted here a few times...seemed like a good guy and was an original GT-37 owner...from Alaska maybe?.

~ Pete
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This is NOT true.

The T-37 was the replacement for the Tempest. Equipped with the GTO's engine, from the 400 to the 455 and the 455HO, they are VERY rare and, in Pontiac circles, quite desirable.

The GT-37 was Pontiac's response to the Road Runner, and it could be thought of as the successor to the stillborn ET from 1969. Engines started with a lo-po 350-2 and went up from there.

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I've posted this before. An Alberta car I saw at a cruise.
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Stefano, I seen that the other day on your site, nice car. I'm just saying MY 440 back in 1983 with me being 16 and setting the car up, ran like that. The GT-37 was never set to run, was just a driver that had some b@lls. Nice cars and there seems to be a bit of difference that what I knew about these cars.

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I used to have a 71 1/2 GT-37,400 auto.Laurentian Green with Gold stripe.

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base T37's are worth nuttin.. sorry.. Maybe one with a 400 or 455 is worth it but most of the t37's were low budget base econo cars. They used to be littering the street back in the 70's around here..

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T 37 is worth nothing and a GT 37 is worthy.. Not GTO worthy but worth saving..

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This is NOT true.

The T-37 was the replacement for the Tempest. Equipped with the GTO's engine, from the 400 to the 455 and the 455HO, they are VERY rare and, in Pontiac circles, quite desirable.

The GT-37 was Pontiac's response to the Road Runner, and it could be thought of as the successor to the stillborn ET from 1969. Engines started with a lo-po 350-2 and went up from there.

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Stefano, I seen that the other day on your site, nice car. I'm just saying MY 440 back in 1983 with me being 16 and setting the car up, ran like that. The GT-37 was never set to run, was just a driver that had some b@lls. Nice cars and there seems to be a bit of difference that what I knew about these cars.

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John,
12.60s is still fast for a mostly stock, normally aspirated, street driven car, even today, more so back in the day. I was just trying to clear up some misconceptions and the Monk King, Black Gold T-37 is the perfect example of that which is being discussed.

This car was ordered and purchased to be a race car from day one. The most basic Pontiac A-body available,(rubber floor mat/no carpet)(approx 300pds lighter than a GTO) with the most potent Pontiac Engine available,at the time, the 455 HO.

It has been told that some of the T-37 455HO cars, going to special customers received special attention and parts, like ported factory heads!

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I think that Stefano is talking about this car...so you can get an idea...

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base T37's are worth nuttin..

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You originally didn't say "base" hence my comment. That's like sayin' "Belvedere I's are worth nuttin'" when no mention is made of 383 and Hemi cars, which is where the interest would lie with this site. The original poster wants to know about these cars, so why not give him the details rather than make a blanket statement? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Stefano, those are neat cars to say the least. I'm glad to see people helping get some real info on these cars out. I for one few a little lucky to know of this one now that I see and hear about them and what they are. Thank you, John

P.S., Factory ported heads, DAMN

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yea, sorry. my mistake..

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base T37's are worth nuttin..

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You originally didn't say "base" hence my comment. That's like sayin' "Belvedere I's are worth nuttin'" when no mention is made of 383 and Hemi cars, which is where the interest would lie with this site. The original poster wants to know about these cars, so why not give him the details rather than make a blanket statement? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Well, I need to correct some of the info I recalled. Car IS a Black on Black, bench seat, CARPET, AM radio, M22 with Hurst T-handle, 455 HO, car, Ps Pb. Rear was NOT KNOW from factory. NOT Canadian Car, Cali car I think. But he did have docs. say only one optioned that way in '71. Had Factory "green" Tach. Car has header, Scatter shield, ladder bars. 825 Carter carb.??? I the owner still has NIB emblems and stuff from the time. Recalls car pulling like a b!tch.

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The black on black T37 in Ontario is an Oshawa-built T with GT emblems. It was built with 3.55 gears although it may have steeper gears put in since then. It was sold new in Milton, ON and spent time in that area thru the 70s and early 80s. It is one of 12 T37 models built by Oshawa with the 455HO engine. Oshawa also built three Lemans Sports with the HO in 1971 and one Lucerne Blue car exists and is about 15 miles from the Black T.

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You tell'em Wanker!

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Man you guys sure know how to stray away from the original topic.

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Okay, I heard about this discussion over on Performance Years which is a Pontiac site and thought I would chime in again. Just been a while since I've been here.
Here is the link to a lengthy discussion we had here a while back and in it is the story of my T-37.
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat...true#Post220473

The GT-37 began in 70 1/2 as a styling option on any T-37 2 dr (ht or post)when a V8 was ordered. It was called a Tempest T-37. The basic T-37 was a bench seat, plastic/rubber floor mat/6cyl/3 on the tree. Kind of like the base Chevelle 300.
When the V8 was ordered then the GT option (which was an appearance option) was ordered it included special stripes (actually '69 Judge stripe in '70), dual exhaust w/GTO tips, hood pins, Ralley II wheels w/o trim ring, GT identification and G70X14 raised white letter tires. That was it.
For '70 the top engine was the base GTO 400/350hp engine although there is some debate as to whether the RA III w/o the RA III exhaust manifolds was available. This engine was available on any LeMans/Tempest/T-37 2 dr.

In '71 the T-37 continued as the LeMans T-37 although the cars only said Pontiac and T-37. The GT option remained the same but the stripe changed to a 70/71 Judge type but with only 2 color rather than the Judge 3 color. That changed to a sword type in '71 1/2. However in '71 the top engine changed to the 455HO for 2 dr cars and the 2 dr post was no longer available as a GT even though the brochure shown on one of the sites mentioned in this thread shows a post car. All V8's were available in any 2 dr LeMans Sport/LeMans/T-37 in '71.
A total of 123 LeMans Sports/LeMans/T-37's were built with the 455HO. Dan Jensen of the Pure Stock drags has a registry for '71 and '72 455HO cars that are NOT GTO's.

When broken down by body type (post/ht/conv) only 11 T-37's were post cars. I don't have the registry handy to break down the rest.

Hope this helps and will try to stop by more often.

There were approximately 43,000 T-37's built in '71. Almost 9000 2 dr post, 29000 ht's and remainder 4 dr sedans. No convertible's in the T-37 only LeMans and LeMans Sport. Again do not have exact #'s with me.

The T-37 was never available w/bucket seats/console or endura nose option.

In'72 the GT option continued as in '71 but the endura nose/ram air was required with any 455HO and the nose was optional on others including station wagons. It was called the LeMans GT. Again it was only available on 2 dr ht's. Engine options and availability of them remained the same

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Thanks, awesome info.

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[b] Posted these shots on the Rotting Muscle Cars thread, then remembered this one -
saw this parked on a back road on LI
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Wow, that 10 years sure just flew by!
Love to see any pics of the black/black car.
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~ Pete

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Don't have pics of the black/black car but I have Steve's old White/White car, restored by Wankerboy (Todd Kozak). Originally built as a 350/3spd manual car it now has a correct 455HO/TH400 and to date has run a best of 13:28 with 3:08 gears. Hoping for 12's this year with the 3:73.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZK6qxmbO1U

This car was owned in the 80's by Rick Wright of Purely PMD fame in NM and was due to be their next project after the Ram Air V Judge - sadly John Hutchinson's son died and the business did shortly after that as well. Gary Daniel of OK bought it from Rick, Steve bought it from Gary, Todd bought it & restored it and now I have it. First pic is Rick's title, second in Steve's driveway, third in Todd's shop and last one is in my driveway.

I had a blue over black 350 4spd car 5 years ago as well - should have kept it.

One of the great things about these cars is you are unlikely to ever have two in the same place at the same time - even at the nationals in Norwalk Ohio I am often the only one.

Lol. In retrospect, yes. :)

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