#27 ZL-1 SOLD ?????? Info/EBAY Link Please
 

I received the following Email ....................

"I saw
your name attached to a ZL-1 which was
on Ebay this past weekend. It sold for
$315,000 as I recall. The car was also
owned by Reggie Jackson at one time."

Does anyone have a link or info on this (CLONE/Recreation) sale, as I'd like to read/see it.

Thanks,

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I seen it as a NO sale at mecum on TV sat. night for $315,000, they said the owners wanted $400,000.
David

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Chuck its on the Mecum site
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http://www.mecumauction.com/auctions...D=TV0C08-65511

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I see prior owner is Charles Sharin...I assume that is you Chuck?? Whats the story?? Is it a clone?? or real car??

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The way it's written on the Mecum link, it sounds like the car was rebodied because of someone cutting the trunk out for bigger wheelwells. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Would'nt this be Gary H car ?? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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Chuck,
What did you call it when you took the VIN tag and trim tag and put it on another car? "(CLONE/Recreation)".

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Whaddya do, collect PMs? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

Your mail box is full again. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

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Would'nt this be Gary H car ?? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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I wish! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

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Another Gary H !! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Gary Holubs Green w/blk roof Yenko Automatic car bid to 315k did this one reach the same number?

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Gary Holubs Green w/blk roof Yenko Automatic car bid to 315k did this one reach the same number?

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Is this the ex-George Aleskowitz car??

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That was nice money plus the juice for that Yenko Camaro !

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Chuck,
What did you call it when you took the VIN tag and trim tag and put it on another car? "(CLONE/Recreation)".

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To whom may be interested, I call it an inept, young drag racer who wanted to have his newly built 69 Camaro C/SM drag racer a titled WA state car. The race car was never going to be insured, street driven or inspected.

I was the 2nd and LAST owner of the real #27 ZL-1, having bought it from Alan Green's service mgr, Dic Tutino in or around 1975. I was the one who parted the real #27 out in 1976.

I started the new C/SM car with a untitled junk yard 69 Camaro body shell. I moved the 609965 VIN tag from the #27 Body shell to the "new" C/SM body shell. Was this legal and correct ? NO......,however it was never my intent to to build or recreated anything and fraudulently misrepresent it.

ALL the misc sheetmetal, interior, frame, etc etc from #27 ZL-1 were used on the "new" C/SM car. along with the xfered 609965 VIN tag. I sold the turnkey C/SM race car around 1981 to Alan Martin Chevrolet in Bremerton, WA. Subequently Jim Brunz, Dave Barcelon have owned the C/SM car and it remains in WA state to this day, with all those ORIGINAL #27 ZL-1 parts.

After I sold the C/SM, it was "someone" else who (once again) removed the 609965 VIN tag and along with the 609965 WASH State title sold it to "whomever" had the current "#27" created. The present day "#27" has NOT one assy part that was part of the OEM #27 with the exception of that xfered 609965 VIN tag

I am not going to let some bodies power and popularity, keep me from revealing the truth. I understand I am a unpopular "nobody" from Seattle, whose 15 minutes of fame was over 30 years ago at Seattle Int'l Raceway (or Pacific Raceway back then)..........but the truth remains .............



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...lnationals.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...20pics/ZL1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0pics/ZL1b.jpg

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Hey I have people telling me that the Vin tag on a car is worth money !!

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif Do not agree !!

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Marlin, Gary at one time owned them both # 27 and the Georges old green Yenko

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So where is the body you took the tags off of ? Does it still exist ?

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Charley, I gave the body to a man named John Carmody (sp ???) in Seattle area around 1976/77. I can not say for certain WHAT happened to that body hulk. Wish I had pictures, but don't. I do have a print pic of #27 ZL-1 as I picked up from Porlier's storage and misc pics being raced at Seattle Int'l but have never scanned into digital format.

This was body of Original #27 that had floors cut out with roll cage, back half frame installed by Thayne Porlier's Tacoma, WA race car fab shop in 1976. This unauthorized (by me) floor butchering, is what resulted in a law suit, recovery of the #27 from Porlier's impound, and the subsequent parting out.

There are many people in the Seattle area that remember the car, and some of the the facts..........including Jerry Valentine long time NHRA Tech official.

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Wow, what a story
I would think the hunt is on for the real body

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The last place I saw the body was in Rics Auto Wrecking, Circa 1987 at 125th and Aurora in Seattle. Ric also new what it was.
Mike Bond

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Many have known about this for a long time as Chuck has been honest & has shared this info before. Wonder if it was kept secret from bidders or did Mecum advised everyone & that's why it bid low. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

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At the beginning of this thread is a link to the Mecum description and they do disclose it as a rebody.

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Just want to make it clear and understood, that EVERY PIECE on current "#27" is a replacement/different/Non Original piece.........NOT just the body.......

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They don't really say it was a rebodied car. It says that after the trunk floor was removed they found a body in the junk yard and pieced the car back together. The way I read it is they used parts off the junk yard body to repair the original body.Someone please correct me if I'm reading it wrong. The text below was copied from the Mecum site auction description.
James

Dick mentioned that this ZL-1 ran in NHRA Super Stock class, sponsored by Allan Green Chevrolet and Boeing Airplane Company until Allan Green closed in 1970. The ZL-1 ran a best of 11.08 at 127 MPH. After the 1971 season, Dick took the car to a race shop to have the rear wheel wells slightly enlarged. The shop ended up removing the entire trunk floor in error. Dick sued the race shop for damages and won. He could not race the ZL-1 in this condition, so he found another body in the junkyard and pieced the racecar back together again. During 1979-1981 the ZL-1 won best appearing car at the NHRA events. Allan put in a full roll cage and a 9” Ford axle and ran 10.40’s. Car was painted Candy Apple Red with Lemon Yellow Swoosh and Purple highlights

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I agree they went out of their way to hide what it is. They boast about paperwork and documentation, and definitely don't mention the only original ZL1 part you're buying is the VIN plate. Is the trim tag from the ZL1 on it or is that fake too?

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At the beginning of this thread is a link to the Mecum description and they do disclose it as a rebody.

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"The shop ended up removing the entire trunk floor in error. Dick sued the race shop for damages and won. He could not race the ZL-1 in this condition, so he found another body in the junkyard and pieced the racecar back together again"

that is NOT the admission of a rebody. That sounds like a little repair in order to race as Chuck described. The description seems to miss the fact that there is nothing left of the ZL1 but the vin tags. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

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What about the COPO Connection documentation? Did Ed document the car?
James

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Is the trim tag from the ZL1 on it or is that fake too?

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As I previously stated, OEM Trim Tag was left with #27 Body Hulk, I DID NOT remove. I'm certain current tag is FAKE.

I'm the one who took car to fab shop. Not just trunk floor was removed........All floor from behind front seat to rear bumper......

Most of that MECUM description is wrong and fabricated....

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Mike Bond, Glad you signed in on this, having lived here in Seattle area for many years. Did you know John C that I gave body to it. When you saw body around 1987, what do you recall of its condition..........and what story do you recall about me parting out the #27......

Thanks,

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You are right. I guess I read it too quickly.

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Charley, I gave the body to a man named John Carmody (sp ???) in Seattle area around 1976/77.

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There was a man by that name in Franklin Park (western PA) that owned a restaurant around that time. Same man or relation, might be worth asking?

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When I saw the Camaro it was a Candy Apple Red, Complete Body with no subframe. Ric, the little Dude that owned the Wrecking Yard said it was a Factory Aluminum 427 Camaro with no title, No Vin and just a Shell. I thought about buying it, but at the time I was playing with Chevelles and El-Caminos go figure. It was parked inside the yard next to an old School Bus. I remember checking it out and thinking it was pretty solid and the Trim Tag was on it. Ric closed the Wrecking Yard a few years later. I would see him at Car shows and swap meets around Seattle for a couple of years. I believe he had some Camaros, saw him in a 68 Z-28 one time. He had a really nice Gold 67 Chevelle SS 396 Convertible. I believe he lived or still lives in Woodinville or Bothel. The last time I saw him he was on TV at Barrett/Jackson Scottsdale standing next to C LIL,that was last year. That is all I can remember for now. Have Fun.
Mike Bond

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Is the trim tag from the ZL1 on it or is that fake too?

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As I previously stated, OEM Trim Tag was left with #27 Body Hulk, I DID NOT remove. I'm certain current tag is FAKE.

I'm the one who took car to fab shop. Not just trunk floor was removed........All floor from behind front seat to rear bumper......

Most of that MECUM description is wrong and fabricated....

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If you don't mind my asking, how did the removal of this sheet metal result in a law suit? Was the shop unable to repair the damage or just uncooperative?

BTW - About 4 years ago someone who was in a position to build a real ZL1 with all the proper parts and tags offered to do just that for me. Knowing car collectors and having been a member of the Shelby American Car Club I could foresee something like this happening with a ZL1. So for that and other reasons I declined. The big money will bring the the charlatans.

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Chuck,
What did you call it when you took the VIN tag and trim tag and put it on another car? "(CLONE/Recreation)".

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To whom may be interested, I call it an inept, young drag racer who wanted to have his newly built 69 Camaro C/SM drag racer a titled WA state car. The race car was never going to be insured, street driven or inspected.

I was the 2nd and LAST owner of the real #27 ZL-1, having bought it from Alan Green's service mgr, Dic Tutino in or around 1975. I was the one who parted the real #27 out in 1976.

I started the new C/SM car with a untitled junk yard 69 Camaro body shell. I moved the 609965 VIN tag from the #27 Body shell to the "new" C/SM body shell. Was this legal and correct ? NO......,however it was never my intent to to build or recreated anything and fraudulently misrepresent it.

ALL the misc sheetmetal, interior, frame, etc etc from #27 ZL-1 were used on the "new" C/SM car. along with the xfered 609965 VIN tag. I sold the turnkey C/SM race car around 1981 to Alan Martin Chevrolet in Bremerton, WA. Subequently Jim Brunz, Dave Barcelon have owned the C/SM car and it remains in WA state to this day, with all those ORIGINAL #27 ZL-1 parts.

After I sold the C/SM, it was "someone" else who (once again) removed the 609965 VIN tag and along with the 609965 WASH State title sold it to "whomever" had the current "#27" created. The present day "#27" has NOT one assy part that was part of the OEM #27 with the exception of that xfered 609965 VIN tag

I am not going to let some bodies power and popularity, keep me from revealing the truth. I understand I am a unpopular "nobody" from Seattle, whose 15 minutes of fame was over 30 years ago at Seattle Int'l Raceway (or Pacific Raceway back then)..........but the truth remains .............



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...lnationals.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...20pics/ZL1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0pics/ZL1b.jpg

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Chuck,
Thanks for clearing up the issue https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I finally understand the story behind this camaro.
Thanks Chuck.

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Soooo... it is possible the original "real" ZL1 #27 body with the hidden VIN still exists, and the location of all the parts to go on the body is known and the VIN number is riveted on another body and the location of that body is known...I am sure I am not the only one who has thought of this, this could get interesting! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

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Yep... That is the way it looks... WOW https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

(Recreated) #27 ZL-1 Camaro once again surfaces at B/J Scottsdale 2019.............

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...content=172019

I've written B/J and informed them that their web site description does not represent the FACT that the ONLY ORIGINAL #27 item on the entire car is the VIN Tag.........

I'm evidently TOO STUPID to resize a 2018 photo of my old Drag Car that was built from
a Junk Yard Body and ALL the misc #27 Body Panels I saved after parting out the #27 ZL-1. This race car is still in WA state...but the #27 VIN tag is in Scottsdale,AZ at B/J 2019

This line is in the description:

"This car has been rebodied."

So at least there's that.

/Rich

And this:

After the 1971 season, Dick took the car to a race shop to have the rear wheel wells slightly enlarged. The shop removed the entire trunk floor in error. Dick sued the race shop for damages and won. He could not race the ZL1 in this condition, so he found another body in a junkyard and pieced the car back together again.