NCRS and Chevy Muscle Docs Data reports:
 

For those of you who have sent away through NCRS or their sister company; Chevy Muscle Docs for your dealer information. At times NCRS provides only dealer zone and code and does not always have the Dealer name in their database. I have a pretty extensvie database and have been able to help numerous car enthusiasts on many forums Identify their Dealer name. Let me know the zone and dealer code and I'll be happy to try to help you.
Paul Winvoices.

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I have gone on the NCRS web site and plugged in the dealer & zone #s (free) and the name of the delivering dealer came up. Are you saying that your data base is more extensive than theirs is Paul?

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Bruce:
I am not charging anyone to help them out with their dealer information if I have it. And yes, my dealer information is more extensive then the NCRS on-line data base because I had downloaded that data base and added thousands of dealers since.

Here's an example of how often NCRS does not have the Dealer name. This is an old posting but just scroll through it:
http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/...-report-5.html
Paul

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Hi, do you have anything on dealer 201, zone 44?

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No Tony, pretty sure I looked through posts on here asking for help a while ago.
I have 44, 198, 203, 204
Sorry,
Paul

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I wasn't questioning your integrity Paul - just didn't understand the larger DB. Thanks for your service to the community!

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No problem Paul, thanks anyway!

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Tony:
I'm trying to use wild cards checking old newspaper ads in Michigan. Then cross-referencing them to my data base and NCRS's. This dealer seems one of interest and fits alphabetically right where they should be:
Hanson Chevrolet
Detroit Mich.
I e-mailed you a small ad from Newspapers.com for Hanson, it's from 1960. I do not have them in any database. There's some info on Google.

Paul

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Thank you Paul!! Now I will do some digging and see what comes up.
I'm not familiar with this dealer.

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The plot thickens...this dealer was located on the east side of Detroit, maybe 20 min from me. Looks like it had become Glenn Walker Chevrolet by the end of the 1960s. Would the dealer number have changed under new ownership?

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Definitely was Glenn Walker Chevy by 1967...confirmed by this fascinating post below....

http://www.detroityes.com/mb/showthr...-History/page3

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Most likely would have changed...... What year is the car?

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Very good chance dealer code would change with new ownership.
Glenn Walker 44 523

Paul

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My car is a '68.

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Ahhh, the hunt goes on. Came across Hanley Dawson, big time Hi-Perf Chev dealer but we have their zone and code and no match.

You know there are also a bunch of towns in Ohio that are zone 44: See below, off my database so many dupes:

GIBSONBURG
TOLEDO
TOLEDO
OREGON
Curtice
Curtice
CHESAPEAKE
TOLEDO
Toledo
Toledo
Lemoyne
Fostoria
Fostoria
Fostoria
FOSTORIA
Hicksville
Maumee
PERRYSBURG
Whitehouse
W. Unity
NAPOLEON
NAPOLEON
GENOA
Bryan
TOLEDO
MAUMEE
Wauseon
Wauseon
WAUSEON
toledo
Toledo
TOLEDO
WHITEHOUSE
BOWLING GREEN
SYLVANIA
DEFIANCE

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Paul: I think I have already asked, but any info on dealer 833 in Zone 23 (Oklahoma)?

Should start with an "S", but I believe we have eliminated Scott (OKC), Seltzer (Yukon).

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Yep we did, the Name has to begin with Scott, 830 is Scott, 831 is Scotts and 835 is Scotty's, so has to be a derivative of that name. I'll look at the ads later on and see if I find something that looks right.
I would contact the OK libraries and check for listing under Scott Chev, Scott's Chev and Scotty's Chev, it could very well be one of these also but at a different location within OK.
Paul

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Good call on the Ohio dealers. I would bet it is from that area...I bought the car in Adrian, MI, about 15 miles from the OH border. The story was the car had been in the area since new.

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I continue to struggle to determine the NCRS feedback on Benjamin's '69 Nova: Zone 49, Dealer 497. I believe it to be Sunderland, yet they had a different dealer number - is it possible that they had 2 sites, thus 2 dealer numbers?

49 485 SAUDER CHEVROLET COMPANY ROUTE 72 P O BOX 103 MANHEIM
49 496 SAUSMAN CHEVROLET CO. 717 MARKET ST LEMOYNE
49 533 SHULTZ CHEVROLET INC 1177 CARLISLE ST BOX 212 HANOVER
49 545 Smith Chevrolet Co, Inc SELINSGROVE
49 550 Staub Chevrolet Sales 105 LINCOLN WAY NEW OXFORD
49 576 STOCKER CHEVROLET INC ROUTE 545 STATE COLLEGE
49 580 sunderland chevrolet 717 MARKET ST LEMOYNE
49 585 SUTLIFF CHEVROLET CO PO BOX 1307 HARRISBURG

NCRS and Chevy Muscle Docs Data reports:
 

I have 49-496 and 497 both noted as Sausman codes.
Has the OP fsc66 Paul/Winvoices already checked his files?
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~ Pete

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Sunderland bought the dealership from Sausman, just not sure in what year - I thought it was '68'ish....

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Is there any hope that B-Body data might become available at some point?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I continue to struggle to determine the NCRS feedback on Benjamin's '69 Nova: Zone 49, Dealer 497. I believe it to be Sunderland, yet they had a different dealer number - is it possible that they had 2 sites, thus 2 dealer numbers? </div></div>

That is the 69 dealer code for Sausman. They had three different ones that I have seen. It changed in 68 then again in 69.

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I don't have 497 in my database have 496 as Sausman also. Have 499 as Larry Murphy Chevrolet.
I'll see what I can find for Sausman ads and address changes.
Ads I see for them in 1964 placed them at 717 Market, an ad for 1969 had the same address

See below, Maybe he can help?
https://carlisleevents.com/about-car...aspx?staffid=4

Paul

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Yeah, address stayed the same

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pat_Dilling</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there any hope that B-Body data might become available at some point? </div></div>

I am wondering the same thing.

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I imagine there was not enough interest or pressure placed on the GM Heritage center to make a deal with any interested parties for the Full Size or the Corvairs. Chevy Muscle docs a division of NCRS as we all know has the information for Chevelles, Novas and Camaros at this point. Warren, perhaps you can find the contact at GM Heritage who has the information on our cars and we can begin working with them to supply the information to others as NCRS did? Maybe Kurt and William from CRG know who is supplying NCRS with their data.

Let me know..

Paul

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Has to be a mistake with Sausman, there would be no reason to have different dealer codes at the exact same address. There should be either a change of address or a change of ownership to initiate another dealer code?

Paul

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I copied the codes right off the docs. A mistake seems unlikely. I've seen this before. Emrick Chevrolet in Richmond VA. Same address but I've seen both dealer codes 210 and 211 used in 66.

NCRS and Chevy Muscle Docs Data reports:
 

I've seen this before too, when business sold but dealer name/location retained and next code # luckily available so alphabetical order unchanged but both codes operating for inventory sale/warranty purposes during transition.
Some dealers owned and operated w/ more than one code at one location, after buying out a competitor for example and both codes flowing enough to keep their right to building the next dealership in the area or using a separate # for Fleet purchases/sales only etc?
Other reasons sometimes frowned upon could include processing more warranty work through one # to help the other look better also pre sale transfers between codes to help meet inventory/sold unit agreements?

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~ Pete

Paul, I just got my zone and dealer codes from NCRS. zone - 13 dealer - 396
zone - Pittsburgh Pa. area
dealer - unknown
dealer - 397 - Hershberger Chevrolet - Olds
Any ideas on 396?

13 396
 

Same info I have for 13 397. I have 395 and 398. Very possible 396 is Hershberger also at perhaps a different address or even a similar name, this happens often....Hershberger Chevrolet without Olds in it, Hershberger Motors, etc.

Paul

Paul,
Do you have any info on this info provided by NCRS?
Dealer code 562
Zone 33
It is a known North Dakota 1969 Camaro.
Thank you for your help.
Craig

Dealer info
 

Craig:
Zone 33 Dealer 562 is:
Nygard Equipment Inc
PO Box 108
Enderlin, ND 58027

Paul Winvoices

Thank you Paul, much appreciated.

Thanks
 

Thanks Paul.
I have History back to summer of 1975. Best friend bought it that summer in Wichita Falls Texas. It had a crate 427, 4 speed, snow flake intake, 780 Holley, equal length headers ( can't find a name on them) he still has them out behind his dads barn, scatter shield, traction bars, 3 point roll bar ( all Lakewood), L88 hood - with Corvette 427 emblems, electric fuel pump. I first saw it at age 18, I'm now 59. Always thought it could be a super car ( dealer built ). All the work looked professionally done. I have tried to get info from Pa. dmv with no luck. My friend who owned it from 1975 to 1986 sold the engine in 1985 to a person in Bellefonte Pa. area. He said he thinks he might have the engine serial number somewhere. Chevrolet told me they could trace the engine easier than the car.

Motor
 

What year is the motor and is it a big block, you may have a partial vin on the engine pad so you will know that number if it's on there?

Paul

Original 427
 

Original 427 was sold in 1986. Gentleman who sold it is trying to find the numbers from it. He had it rebuilt in early 80s and thinks he still has the paperwork in storage.

Hi Paul,

I just received the NCRS info for my 1969 Chevelle but the dealer name & address is missing. I’m wondering if you have them in your records.

Zone 14
Dealer code 503

Thanks!

Paul,

Is it worth to have this service done if you have the pop and know where my car was delivered?

Although, my pop says my car was an AIR car but was delivered in Pa.? I guess It would tell me if my car was ordered for California and sent here in Pa. instead? It could happen, right?

Dave
67 Nova Boy