Restored vs. Survivor Pricing

[BillD]

I have a person here in town that wants to buy one of the cars. I want a fair price for it, no more/no less. I have identified a recent private sale of a car almost exactly like mine. The car that sold is a fully restored car from what must have been a good complete original car. My car has never needed restoration. It has been repainted and cleaned up under the hood, but other than that is a complete, never rusted, with all original components and trim that is in great condition. Is my car worth the same as the restored car? Probably not. Is it worth 90% of the resored car? 75%? I don't know, any opinions? One final thing my car has been repainted I know it does not technically qualify as a survivor. Thanks in advance for the advice.

[firstgenaddict]

Need more info, What is the model, mileage, etc. How good is the repaint, was the car disassembled and painted right or was it taped up and shot? Was it stripped, how was it prepped? Is the detailing under the hood done right or has it just been painted black?
Personally I would rather have a car that has some originality to it vs a totally restored car, you just can't accelerate the awesome patina that an unrestored 35-40 year old muscle car has.

There are a million variables here.
Post some pics of your car and someone will be able to give you a ballpark guesstimate on value.

[BillD]

I did not do the paint on the car, it was painted when I got it. It is a base/clear with no tape lines or other evidence of repaint in door jambs/hood trunk etc. The motor was repainted and detailed at the time of rebuild. Everything major part on the car is original. Non original parts are minor such a vaucum advance unit, hoses, plug wires. All trim and interior is beautiful and original. Car is documented with protecto plate (a real one) with warranty book. All dates and codes are correct and tight (before) to build date. Car is a 68 Z/28 Camaro, Lemans Blue, Deluxe Interior (houndstooth), Tinted glass, Console/Guages, Deluxe belts, 410 Posi and the usual Z/28 required stuff (discs/ 4 speed) and spoilers and RS package. Lemans blue is the original color as is no vinyl top. Mileage shows 82000. Car is unmodifed except for Hurst (have original shifter, smog is intact. Pictures would have to wait until the weekend. Not supercar status, but as close as I will ever come.

[TimG]

Survivor is a Bloomington Gold trademark term, they have been trying to protect this term for their use only. I don't think that they will have much luck with this. As far as their termonology is concerned, a survivor can have a repaint. Bloomington Survivor cars must be original in three of the four areas. I have had two cars Survivor at Bloomington with repaints. The interior, engine, and chassis were considered original enough to pass survivor judging.

[firstgenaddict]

I would love to have that one. Lemans Blue RS Z/28 Houndstooth, you couldn't have done better if you were the one to order the car in 67-68.
Guesstimate the car would be worth in the high 30's or better.

[Belair62]

Bill...some people put more of a premium on survivor type cars...don't sell yourself short....they are only original once..

[Big Block Bill]

Bill, Having owned 1 of the first 3 Bloomington Gold Benchmark cars the award was created after, I would have to agree with Belair, they are only original once, and take a while to bring the money they are due. The 1965 396 coupe that was in the 3 cars awarded in 1991 with my 1967 roadster, was sold (If I remember correctly) last year for about $82,000.00, @ Bloomington gold auction, about what a restored car was worth at the time. Don't sell yourself short,in my mind they SHOULD be worth MORE than a restored car because of the value the hobby can learn from them. Like the Master Card commercial...Original,...Priceless!

[Lynn]

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Survivor is a Bloomington Gold trademark term, they have been trying to protect this term for their use only. I don't think that they will have much luck with this. As far as their termonology is concerned, a survivor can have a repaint. Bloomington Survivor cars must be original in three of the four areas. I have had two cars Survivor at Bloomington with repaints. The interior, engine, and chassis were considered original enough to pass survivor judging.

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Just want to make sure I got this correct. Are they trying to protect the term "Bloomington Survivor" or just the term "survivor". If they are trying to corner the word "survivor" seems like an asinine exercise in futility. What are they going to try next, trademark the word "beautiful" when used to describe a car?

Back to the discusssion at hand. I agree a car as original as the one described above might very well be worth more than a restored car. As much as car guys like to look at the perfect "restored" ones, the ones that usually draw the most interest at local car shows are the unrestored survivors, even if they got one repaint.

Just my 02 cents.

Lynn

[BillD]

Thanks for the advice. I don't think I am going to accept the offer that I was given. It literally took me years to find this car and I really don't want to let it go. On the other hand, I also try to treat it as an investment. These cars have had quite a run up in prices over the last few years. I really don't want to find out that this market implodes and I am sitting with a car that is worth half as much (or worse) than what is worth today. I know we can all list 10 or more reasons why that is not going to happen, but I am not so sure.

[firstgenaddict]

IMO documented 68 Z's are undervalued if anything in the current market.