Repro Pontiac round port/Oldsmobile W30 cyl heads

[wheelhop]

That's a great point. What about the guys with the paper work/ documentation and their motor is missing or the heads are cracked. Now they can go out and get a repop set of heads and not have to refinance their mortgage to do it.

[agtw31]

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So,if I buy a pair of new repop casting for $2,500 rather then a original pair for about $10k(that might I have a defect)that would make my car any less real?

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it is still a documented 70 w-30,which is still rare,no matter what heads are on any motor.
what people seem to forget is 455's were toast after being beat on back then,and most original motors were chucked after puking their bearings,or crank.
so not having the original motor is somewhat of a big deal,having the docs to prove it's heritage makes a difference,too.

[HO455]

You just need to give "Parts Joe" a chance. I am sure he will start reproducing the Oldsmobile 396021F 455 blocks among others with blank engine ID pads very soon. Maybe it will come with a complete re-stamping kit so we can all get our clone W-30s or LS-6 Chevelles perfect. Hey maybe he will also throw in a perfect reproduction broadcast sheet and OW trans tag at no extra charge. Great post Rusty-it said it all-Thanks John

[Fast67VelleN2O]

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it's a problem only if you just paid 5 grand for a set of 37 year old H's,or if youre trying to sell some H heads for 5 grand

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Sometimes this is when I am glad the reproduction market steps in, when the guys WHOARDING this rare stuff drives the prices though the roof for their own benefit. Remember 67 Chevelle GM SS Hood's in the 90's? 1,000 for a nice one. Then the repops came out and guys lost their shirts on the hoods that they were whoarding. The guys in the reproduction business try to get a piece of the pie too. I can't blame them at all. Thumbs up to the reproduction guys who make what some of us can't afford, more affordable to us.
Matt

[JOZW30]

But isn't really about mis-representation more than whether a car is a clone or not?

As a "car guy" I don't have a problem with somenone building a tribute car because they can't afford the real thing. Trying to sell it by lying about it's "correctness", is the issue.

Only consider myself knowledgable about Olds, so I can't say that this goes for other makes or not, but here goes.....

Anyone that knows anything about the W30's knows that unless it's a 72 or has bullet proof documentation, you treat it as a "could be" W30. Period. If you pay $175K for one one of these "could be's with incorrect/unavailable parts to boot, your a fool. If you don't know enough to even find someone that does know enough......well, you get the picture.

Sorry for the novel.

I put a repop W30 intake on my 72 because the originals were all over $600.00 and the vast majority were garbage.

Thanks Parts Place!

[agtw31]

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Anyone that knows anything about the W30's knows that unless it's a 72 or has bullet proof documentation, you treat it as a "could be" W30.

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w-31's are sort of the same way,except it's the balancer,not the heads that people seem to look for,or a broadcast sheet.

wait until those reproduction w-31 balancers start hitting ebay.
priced at $800.
looks like production will be starting soon,too.

[tryconcom]

Gentleman: its a great and wonderful thing joe did for the average man-he's making it afordadable to own a car of your youth-befor all the Sc#%B#g horders and Barret/Jackson syfphalitic midget leaches drove the price of these cars half way to Bagdad. I like the idea of the 4spd/w30 HO verts now being built-Lets get those continuation production lines going-501 69 W30/4spd hurst olds verts by 31 Dec 2007-That should be enough production to recertify for NHRA. I also like 455hos idea of engine stamping kits-definite-need-there-just ask the 1967 427/435 vette guys! Yea lets get those 400 turbo OW tags on the market for 9.95 or less- I like it!For those of you who paid $5000 for a set of w30/fs or a set of RAIV 722/614 now that the new stuff is half-thats just the way it is-next time don't try to hoard or drive the price of something thru the roof because justice, also known as market forces, may come into play and may spank your wanker.

[HO455]

......See this is the problem with Joe’s repo D, F and H heads. Now every hillbilly with two grand is going to make a perfect W-30 clone and sell it at the upcoming Mecum auction as authentic. Unfortunately the fakes are SO GOOD now even the experts can’t tell. I think it is pretty naïve to think that everyone who buys these “Parts Place” repro heads has good intentions. Unfortunately money & greed is driving a great deal of the Muscle Car hobby today. After seeing several collectors burned badly recently on faked W30s - maybe I am more cynical than most. By the way these were not just novice Oldsmobile collectors. These were Olds guys who have years & years of experience dealing with and restoring Oldsmobile W-30s. But at least the trial lawyers will be happy, as it has now created a whole new market for them in dealing with collector car fraud.

[csx289]

Now more than ever, there is NO substitute for real paperwork, documentation, and OWNER HISTORY...

I agree - guys that want performance buy Edelbrock heads or the like, guys that want to build convincing fakes to defraud buyers LOVE repo heads, intakes,balancers, build sheets, P-O-P's, etc.

I have 2 '71 W30 cars, both with real window stickers, multiple build sheets, and bulletproof history (both purchased from their 2nd owners, one owned since '77, one since '71). 5 years ago I would have taken a chance on buying one without this kind of history, but not now.

Somebody mentioned 67 427/435 Vette guys and stampers- there is a reason why those cars aren't worth more, and it is coming our way

Colin

[tryconcom]

CSX289; I love repo heads,intakes,balancers,dual gates and ALL other repo parts. But not for fraud, you guys all know about the 442, gtx, gto, chevelle, mustang, vett you parted out and not just one of them 15-20 years ago, cars that today could be brought back, perhaps with one (2?) foot in the crusher-the car would have been so bad we would name it Lazarus!-I am as GUILTY! I send a good, complete non running 67 4spd GTO to the junk yard because I didn't have the time. These exact repo parts allow us to turn the clock back with what bodies are remaining and produce that w-30 we blew up in 75 or that 69 RA-IV we parted out in 82. I won't even discuss the 396 nova SS we totaled and wraped around a tree on newyears eve 1977! Lets not be so upset on these special repo parts being made.