Pontiac may be dead by monday..

[69 Post Sedan]

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Wait a friggin minute. No Consession???? Do a google search on UAW consessions and get a clue. What are the unreasonable demands the UAW is making today. Dont bring up some plant that closed 25 years ago. The UAW has given up wages, benefits, days off, etc all in the name of saving the Big 3. Hell, if GM even gets right and hires people again they will make 14 bucks an hour. Thats not giving back??? Thats an unreasonable demand??? The UAW opened the contract, again, a few months ago. Ford workers ended the Jobs Bank, gave back paid holidays, and gave up tutition assistance. We also gave up future raises to help cover retiree health care, gave up cost of living, and no longer have the job classifications we used to have. We all work in teams like the Japanese do.

So please tell me again how the UAW has done nothing.

And please tell me why the Japanese, who do not have unions, sell cars at or above the prices of union made cars with the same or below level quality.

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[70 copo]

GM has no one to blame but themselves.

02'Camaro production was stopped for this POS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_SSR

Lots of guys who would have purchased a GM product left the brand after GM left part of its established core loyalty group. (Camaro owners) Many jumped to Ford and picked up stangs and then F-series too...

A senior GM official has been quoted as saying the Camaro "had to go away" It did not have to go away anymore than the SSR had to be produced. This is an example of just one of a series of bad business decisions made that resulted in the GM that we now see today.

Too bad for Pontiac. Another mistake about to be made. Tossing aside Pontiac heritage is going to be a huge mistake for whatever remains of GM.

[old5.0]

All of the major manufacturers have a long history of pi@#ing away their brand equity. GM kills Oldsmobile, a company with 100 years of equity, and they keep Saturn?

[Canuck]

New item this AM. GTO now stands for Gone To Orphanage.

http://ca.news.finance.yahoo.com/s/27042...ed-pontiac.html


Paul

[SmallHurst]

The orphan car show in Yipsilati will look more like a normal car show.

[Chevy454]

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New item this AM. GTO now stands for Gone To Orphanage.

http://ca.news.finance.yahoo.com/s/27042...ed-pontiac.html


Paul

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Haven't y'all heard, they're Shutting Detroit Down...

[bashton]

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New item this AM. GTO now stands for Gone To Orphanage.

http://ca.news.finance.yahoo.com/s/27042...ed-pontiac.html


Paul

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Haven't y'all heard, they're Shutting Detroit Down...

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The sad thing is, this is no exaggeration.

Things here in the Detroit area are long past bleak and not looking like they are going to be much better for a long time.

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

[SeattleCarGuy]

One comment I have in response to GM's build quality over the past several years is that personally speaking, I have an '01 Z-06 Vette that I use exclusively as a track car on the road course. I run about 8 track events per year, full bore, driving the hell out of it at the top of the A class with various clubs I drive and instruct with. It now has 14,000 miles, almost all of which are track miles at 5000 RPM or more. Other than putting brakes on it after every 4th day and slicks after every 2nd day at the track, the car is bulletproof. No major repairs or other issues. It sits in my garage all winter, comes out in about two weeks from now for an event and never disappoints all Spring and Summer long. Great car, great engine, great reliability.

I also have an '06 Duramax with Allison trans. 56,000 miles now of towing car trailer and boat trailer and it has never had anything other than oil changes and fuel filter changes and its first trans fluid change a few thousand miles ago. Again, great quality and great reliability.

My '08 Mercedes AMG has been to the dealer for various minor issues in its first 12,000 miles. Nothing major, but still an annoyance and I always remind them of my Chevrolets' reliability.

My only beef with GM is that as a 39 year old guy, other than Chevrolet's trucks and their Vette's, I don't see myself driving anything else that Chevrolet currently makes. I like their Cadillac line, but then again, if I am gonna spend the kind of money it takes to get into a V version of one of the Caddy hot rods, then I might as well just spend the extra and get an AMG as I did.

Anyway, my two cents and I am sad to see that GM is in such bad shape right now.

[The Dude]

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GM has no one to blame but themselves.

02'Camaro production was stopped for this POS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_SSR

Lots of guys who would have purchased a GM product left the brand after GM left part of its established core loyalty group. (Camaro owners) Many jumped to Ford and picked up stangs and then F-series too...

A senior GM official has been quoted as saying the Camaro "had to go away" It did not have to go away anymore than the SSR had to be produced. This is an example of just one of a series of bad business decisions made that resulted in the GM that we now see today.

Too bad for Pontiac. Another mistake about to be made. Tossing aside Pontiac heritage is going to be a huge mistake for whatever remains of GM.

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The reason it had to go away was impending crash standards that it would not pass. Plus no one was buying the damn car anyway. Check the production numbers of the F body in its final years. The last three years of production GM made 45, 29, and 42 thousand Camaros. No way they could make money on that volume. Or justify redesigning the car.

[The Dude]

The only people that care about Pontiacs heritage are the ones driving OLD Pontiacs. New car buyers dont give a rip about Pontiacs or Toyotas or Nissans heritage.