69 Charger Find

[MultiMopars]

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Any engine figures for Mopars - including the ones you find in Galen's books - are NOT total production but are for US-spec only; this is very clear in Mr. Govier's books. Also, very few numbers for Canadian cars and exports exist in the public domain.

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Did you read the below post?

Seems pretty clear to me thay he is showing total production, Candaian, and export shipped units when it applies. Also, he states that the figures come directly from Chrysler.

If you have a CREDIBLE source that is different than what I have posted then post it. You are doing nothing but arguing without any factual back up.


I am very familiar with how to read the book. In the back it has a legend and shows:
T=total production
S=Shipments USA
C=Shipments-Canadian
E=Shipments-Export
K=Known to Exist

In my book it shows no 6 cyl. 1969 Chargers for Canada or Export, just what I originally posted

[SuperNovaSS]

Does anyone know the best place to market Mopar parts? Is MoParts.com still the best site? This car came along with many parts including 65 Imperial and 64 Polara parts. The parts are very nice but I really don't know what to do with them. I did find a 68-69 B Body Dana 60 in the parts today .


Thanks,


Jason

[MultiMopars]

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Does anyone know the best place to market Mopar parts? Is MoParts.com still the best site? This car came along with many parts including 65 Imperial and 64 Polara parts. The parts are very nice but I really don't know what to do with them. I did find a 68-69 B Body Dana 60 in the parts today .


Thanks,


Jason

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The only place I have ever had any luck getting true value out of my Mopar parts is Ebay. Put them on with a minimum starting price and no reserve.

Most of the lookers on Moparts are looking to steal things in my opinion.

[SuperNovaSS]

OK, thanks. The 65 Imperial parts and polara parts I will probably give away locally. The 392 and 354 Hemis will most liley be Ebay material. Not too sure what to do with the in between stuff. There are 318, 413, 340, and other engines also.


Jason

[scott s]

jason if the b body dana is forsale please let me know thanks..

[442w30]

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If you have a CREDIBLE source that is different than what I have posted then post it. You are doing nothing but arguing without any factual back up.

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I have been pretty clear, so forgive me if it seems like I'm communicating with a woman at times (with all due respect to the bytches and hos out there - a shout out to you!).

I've drafted this out - if it needs to be clearer, I'm gonna shoot myself in the head.

[MultiMopars]

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If you have a CREDIBLE source that is different than what I have posted then post it. You are doing nothing but arguing without any factual back up.

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I have been pretty clear, so forgive me if it seems like I'm communicating with a woman at times (with all due respect to the bytches and hos out there - a shout out to you!).

I've drafted this out - if it needs to be clearer, I'm gonna shoot myself in the head.



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The only thing that is clear to me is that I believe you are confused.

Is the "KEY" in your picture a copy and paste from your GG book? If so It is different than my book because mine does not have that.

If it is YOUR idea (KEY) it is NOT correct. I suspect it is not correct because a Charger was not available with a 170 C.I. engine, only the 225. The 170 was an A body engine.

I have been trying to post a picture of page 71 of MY GG book but I can't get it small enough to be allowed to post and still be readable. If you email me at [email protected] I will send it to you. If you are using the 5th edition July 1999 book just look on page 71 which is what I have already posted here previously. Here it is again:
I am very familiar with how to read the book. In the back it has a legend and shows:
T=total production
S=Shipments USA
C=Shipments-Canadian
E=Shipments-Export
K=Known to Exist

In my book it shows no 6 cyl. 1969 Chargers for Canada or Export, just what I originally posted.

THIS IS THE SAME THAT IT SHOWS IN YOUR PICTURE.

Maybe you are confusing yourself by adding the 6 cyl 462 S
and the 225-1 462 S by adding them togather? They are the same figure. Why GG shows it this way I don't know but you will see it on other cars in this book also. Are you thinking that they made 462 170 C.I. Chargers AND 462 225 C.I. Chargers?
They shipped=S 467 Chargers with a 225 6 cyl. 5 were SEs with no breakdown for trans 462 split as 262 3 speeds and 200 as autos=462.

While GG calls out an "E" for exports shipped I find no examples of it in this books production figures. I assume they are included in the totals and not broken out seperately.

There are however MANY examples of "C" Canadian shipments.

There are no "C" Canadian shipments listed in the 6 cyl Charger production figures and this means that they shipped a total 462+5 SEs=467 Total.

If you can show me an error in this PLEASE DO.

[442w30]

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Is the "KEY" in your picture a copy and paste from your GG book?

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No, it's an actual photo from the book - not a "copy and paste" - that shows the difference between Total Production and US-spec Production.

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If it is YOUR idea (KEY) it is NOT correct. I suspect it is not correct because a Charger was not available with a 170 C.I. engine, only the 225. The 170 was an A body engine.


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I've never claimed the 170 was available for the Charger.

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I have been trying to post a picture of page 71 of MY GG book but I can't get it small enough to be allowed to post and still be readable. If you email me at [email protected] I will send it to you

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I'm not interested in sending you an email. I've received emails and PMs from you in the past and haven't appreciated their condescending tone. I'm even not one of those people who bug you about your build sheet service so it just may have been communication in an imperfect medium such as this . . . but I have an elephant's memory when it comes to people who treat me poorly.

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I am very familiar with how to read the book.

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If you're so familiar, why are you not "getting" it? After all, you say:
In my book it shows no 6 cyl. 1969 Chargers for Canada or Export, just what I originally posted. THIS IS THE SAME THAT IT SHOWS IN YOUR PICTURE yet it's clear from my photo that all the engines listed with an S are US-spec cars only. This is standard for most of the engine production figures that are thrown out there, which is one of the reasons why there is so much misinformation on Moparts (aside of the "1 of 1" BS that people promote, but that's another rant . . . ).

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There are no "C" Canadian shipments listed in the 6 cyl Charger production figures and this means that they shipped a total 462+5 SEs=467 Total.


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No, what it means is that 462 /6 Chargers were built to US-specs, and we don't know how many more went to Canada or were exported elsewhere. The 5 SEs are a part of the 462.

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If you can show me an error in this PLEASE DO.

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I've been doing it for 4 pages now!

[MultiMopars]

442w30,

How can you possibly THINK that if there were Canadian built /6 Chargers shipped that they would not appear in the same production book that shows MANY others with Canadian shipped figures? Remember, GGs figures came straight from Chrysler Corp.

What started all of this was your questioning the figures I posted as accurate. These figures came from GGs book. You have posted the same figures as I did. So does this mean you are questioning these figures as you indicated in your first post about this? If so, just as with my first response to your questioning it, Show some other CREDIBLE source that shows any different figures. Just EXACTLY what is it that you have posted that indicates there were any more than the 467 cars shipped?

[MultiMopars]

442w30,

I think where you may be confused is the way you are reading the book.

The "T" for total production applies to each model and sub model. If you look at the Charger figures you will see that the base Charger is bolded, then the same for the R/T, 500, and Daytona. When you add those production figures up it comes out to 90,282 which is the entite production for 1969 Chargers. Under each sub model it further breaks down that sub model by engine, then transmission and further breaks out Canadian shipped cars. GG makes note throughout his books that there are no break downs for certain things on certain models. There are no notes in the Charger section with any reference to unknown production figures of any other Chargers shipped other than what is there in black and white.

You said the below is GGs words. The reason I questioned the two sizes of /6s is because of what is written in #2 as there is no reason to mention it since the 170 was not available in the 1969 Charger.

Did you add the last sentence in #3 that I have bolded? If not why would GG end it with a question mark as though he was responding to someone?

2. The total of 6 cyl Chargers, which happens to not include the smaller /6, built for US-SPECIFICATIONS

3. The total from #2 above, but broken down by transmission

notice the big "S" that signifies BUILT FOR US-SPECS?
If you are using a different GG book than me why haven't you identified it? If it is the same book as mine direct me to the page where I can see this "KEY"