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[cook_dw]

Regardless what anyone thinks about all of this.. As long as there is money to be made things will be reproduced or faked. Thats just the way it is..

[SS427]

Originally Posted by cook_dw

Regardless what anyone thinks about all of this.. As long as there is money to be made things will be reproduced or faked. Thats just the way it is..

You are absolutely correct Darrell but that does not mean we cannot police our own people a little better or try to get them to conform a little better (like the producers of products) to try and keep things a little more legit. After all, if we do not buy they do not sell. If we just throw up our hands every time someone commits fraud they will win every time. I have already helped put one guy in jail for building a fake LS6 and passing it off as one, am involved in a lawsuit of another and will do it again without batting an eye.

I lose a little money every year because I do not allow fake cars in my shop. If some of these producers kept things on the up and up (making VIN's available) they would lose a little business as well to those people that are knowingly trying to pass something off and don't want to get caught. I guess my reputation and honor is more valuable than the dollar so maybe I sit alone on these thoughts.

[fsc66]

I have refrained from chiming in as this is a topic because people are very passionate about this subject.
Let's be rationale about this and try to separate the people that will create documents for any car regardless of its rarity or obscurity as long as they see green from the people that actually check into these rare and high value cars and ensure they are what they say. If not, advise the customer the documents will all have watermarks on them unless the information can be corroborated.
Let's also separate the people who will answer anyone who asks as to whether documents they come across are in fact their reproductions. Let's also separate the people who help others identify reproduction documents whenever they are asked whether theirs or someone else’s. Now let's look at the majority of the reproduction documents that are advertised as authentic and who is reproducing those. Let's also look at who reproduces documents that are never found on sites selling cars advertising the docs to be authentic.
When a person knows that the reproduction company will never authenticate their own documents it acts as a deterrent to advertise these docs as real.
We cannot just pile everyone in the same barrel and declare them all as frauds or persons that are helping perpetuate fraud.
I will never make any real money doing this because I think we all know where the real money is.
It would be nice to have a Reproduction business advertised in the GM Heritage documents of various makes and models like another company. It would be nice to be listed as a recommended and paid vendor on various NCRS sites also…..
But for small businesses that are more hobbyists than businesses that will probably never happen.
No One is going to provide a list of VINs of car they have worked on documents for but I also doubt other companies out there would state that they would also help identify any of the documents they have reproduced and identify them as such.
So, let’s please try to separate companies out there, there are vast differences in the manner in which we conduct our businesses.
I maintain ethics and integrity in what I do and wish all the other companies would do the same. I turn down at least 20% of orders I receive knowing the cars are clones advertised as authentic. It’s great having experts in each model to corroborate with to ensure cars are what they are purported to be or not to be. We also have some great sites which I regularly visit where advertised cars are called out as being fakes, clones, frauds, etc. to keep an eye out for.
Now I suspect I opened a can of worms but I stand behind what I do so let’s see where this goes.

Paul