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[skierkaj]

1. I have always held to my liberal side, despite the fact that most professors are liberal. Studies are always biased; that is one of the first things we learned in Sociology. Granted many studies may lead to an overall conclusion, don't take those studies as fact. In essence, don't believe everything you hear, read etc.

2. The percentage of poor people is not the same. That is fact. This also depends on where you draw the line for poor people . . . the line keeps changing to keep the percentage the same, that's how it's set up.

3. I know! This sucks . . . My generation is going to be the first generation where we don't have it as good or better than our parents or grandparents; we're gonna have it worse.

4. I prefer to try and not associate myself with any particular party, but if I had to, I would definitely be liberal. Despite myself being liberal, I still have my own views on things, such as still being able to own as many guns as you want, cars as you want, etc. Likewise, funding for mass transit was cut after WWII, so that people would have to buy their own vehicles. Not to sound sneeky, but the govt. wanted this to boost the economy.

5. Socialism has failed, and will never work, I agree. I have no doubt that capitalism is the way to go, but there are still flaws in the system. Now that I reread my post, It seemed like I sounded a little Communist/Socialist myself, but that is NOT THE CASE! I agree with some points. I disagree with some points. What do you want me to tell you? All I can tell you is what I'm thinking.

6. I have a feeling that before that much of a % goes to my paycheck, there will be some sort of "revolution" in one way or another. Either the system will fail, or there will be an uprising . . . or so I hope

7. I agree with the entitlement crap, but you should be entitled to what your family has worked for you to have; i.e. funding for a college education.

8. Why the hell are we talking about this anyway? I get enough of this garbage in class; I don't think I need any more. It was fun while it lasted, but I'm gonna stop talking now.

Next time you have something to say, please be curtious enough to spell my name right. I likewise you should be entitled to a correct spelling.

[Supergas990]

I know that you wanted this topic to end, but you're saying so many things that seem contradictory that I can't even see straight!!!!

First off... If you believe that our generation (I'm only 33) is going to be the first one to have it worse than our parents, then you're not doing something right. Many of my friends, my brother and my wife and I are all doing considerably better than our parents were when they were our respective ages (home ownership, job success, money, cars, toys, etc...) Just check out some of the recent posts about young members getting some of the greatest cars ever made!

Application of ones self and your talents/skills are the key to individual success. Learn not to expect to have/afford what someone two or three times your age has. I love hanging around this board and checking out the cars, but you'll notice that there's no COPO/YENKO etc.. in my signature. I choose to play within my current means, because that's what I can afford. Should I hold this against anyone? HELL NO!!! One day I plan to have one of those great cars (but I know that I've got to work my ass off to get it).

As far as "revolution" goes, if you want to see things in our country continue to spiral out of control on a moral and social level hold tight to your liberal views and ideals. If you really believe that revolution crap you espouse than check a single box in November (Republican).

No one is entitled to anything except their opinion. People work as hard as they desire to get what they want. Those that choose not to work as hard don't get as much as those that achieve. I thought the student with the 4.0 GPA analogy was perfect. What's satisfactory for one person may not be for another, that's why God made us individuals.

Hope you're not too disappointed with the responses from the "corporate rich" (anyone that makes $40,000 or more annually).

Remember "Baby Steps".You can't start out running.

Blair

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Excellent points Blair. I would add one thing: achieving more than our parents extends beyond material posessions. I for one, place a much higher value on a good marriage and time with the family in place of multiple homes, cars, yada yada... Nobody lays on their death bed and says; 'I wish I would have spent more hours at the office', or 'I wish I had bought some more garage space for my SuperCars'. So, work hard to satisfy your needs, and keep your wants and your family responsibilities in balance

[skierkaj]

Supergas . . .

I'm sorry for the misinterpretation, I meant my generation (I just turned 19).

I'm not satisfied with Bush's views on things . . . I'll hold to the Democrats for now.

As for your quote,

"Application of ones self and your talents/skills are the key to individual success. Learn not to expect to have/afford what someone two or three times your age has. I love hanging around this board and checking out the cars, but you'll notice that there's no COPO/YENKO etc.. in my signature. I choose to play within my current means, because that's what I can afford. Should I hold this against anyone? HELL NO!!! One day I plan to have one of those great cars (but I know that I've got to work my ass off to get it)."

I couldn't agree more. I'm in the same boat. I have what I have, and I'm working for what I don't have.

[zoidberg]

The Hard Truths About Liberals.

1. At the most basic level, the liberal is an adolescent forever in search of a world without moral consequence.


2. Freedom from moral consequence can only be secured by a collectivist, totalitarian state.


3. The liberal religion reveres the twin gods of genitals and government, and is overseen by a priesthood of psychologists.


4. "Freedom" to the liberal is strictly freedom of the genitals.


5. All non-sexual individual freedoms are despised by the liberal because they demand moral responsibility.


6. The fundamental power struggle of the liberal is individual v. collective. The individual must be relieved of all power in favor of the collective.


7. Individualism demands moral responsibility. Collectivism hopes to eliminate the need for moral responsibility.


8. The U.S. Constitution - specifically the individualistic Bill of Rights - is the enemy of the liberal.


9. The liberal despises the United States because it is the premier gaurantor and promoter of individualism in the world.


10. All institutions and concerns - schools, environment, courts, etc. - serve no relevant purpose other than the promotion of collectivism.


11. Abortion is necessary to gaurantee genital freedom and eliminate moral consequence.


12. The basis of psychology is the elimination of moral responsibility.


13. The liberal must create an atmosphere of crisis and fear to justify collectivist oppression.


14. Any religious person who believes or promotes moral consequence is the enemy of the liberal and must be oppressed.


15. Despite decades of spectacular failure, the liberal clings to the collectivist dream because it is far more than a theory of government. It is a religion.


17. The liberal seeks to dominate any institution which can weaken or destroy individual parental rights - public schools, child abuse agencies, pediatric associations, etc..


18. The liberal applauds the imprisoning of homeschooling parents who dare to raise their children outside the control of collectivist public schools.


19. Private ownership of guns is the single greatest symbol of individual power, and therefore despised.


20. All individual freedoms demand the responsible behaviour of the individual, and therefore demand a moral code. Liberals despise freedom because they despise morality.


21. The liberal loves Bill Clinton because of who he is, not in spite of who he is.


22. The liberal despises national sovereignty which protects individual freedoms.


23. The liberal promotes international governments (UN, EU, etc.) which seek to destroy individualism protected by sovereign states.


24. The liberal fears any hint of individualism in any part of the world, and is obsessed with the centralized control of all human activity and thought.


25. "Multi-culturalism" is the code world for a single, oppressive, collectivist culture.


26. Liberals speak often of tolerance, but only tolerate liberals.


27. The liberal seeks to criminalize any speech which promotes morality or individualism as "hate speech".


28. Environmentalists lie as a matter of course.


29. The liberal's only method of debate is to insult and discredit anyone who dares to disagree.


30. When possible, liberals opress anyone who questions their beliefs.


31. Liberals despise all innocence - especially the innocence of a child.


32. Liberals seek the sexualization of children and the normalization of pedophilia, all in the pursuit of genital freedom.


33. In the liberal mind, your freedom is their oppression.


34. Private property and individual wealth is integral to individualism, and the enemy of the liberal.


35. The liberal hates you.


36. The liberal seeks to replace a moral world view with an emotional world view.


37. The liberal typically chooses a career which produces nothing of value - lawyer, bureaucrat, "activist", etc. - and uses government to extract the wealth of others.


38. Liberal programs enrich liberals and do little to help the poor.


39. The liberal despises masculinity as a symbol of individual power.


40. Feminists groups are about lesbianism and socialism, not equal rights for women.


41. Liberals are perfectly willing to destroy you financially, remove your children, and imprison you for what you believe.


42. Liberals fear technology and change - because neither can be centrally controlled.


43. Liberals are not obsessed with sex, but with promiscuity. Promiscuity is the dominant theme of the liberal media culture.


44. Liberals despise the suburbs as a manifestation of individual prosperity, private property ownership, and the family.


45. Liberals despise marriage and family because they are institutions which frown on promiscuity.


46. Liberals despise the automobile as a symbol of individual freedom and power.


47. Liberals seek to control public schools, and force all children into them, in order to foster promiscuity and collectivist ideology in children.


48. Other diseases kill millions more, but liberals are obsessed with Aids because it is a moral consequence of promiscuity.


49. Liberals are more committed than conservatives because their politics is also their religion.


50. Liberal activities are all about ego - to demonstrate "I care more than you do" without really helping anyone.


51. Whenever a liberal expresses concern "for the children", they are using and targeting children to expand promiscuity, collectivism, and their own pocketbooks and egos.


52. Because collectivist politics is their only morality, liberals have no problem with deceit, oppression, or violence in their pursuit of collectivism.


53. Liberals are elitests who exempt themselves from the oppressive rules they impose on the general population.


54. Liberals howl if a transvestite or convicted felon is even slightly offended, but openly bash Christians.


55. Liberals dream of a return to a centralized, 1940's urban environment. We all ride the bus from a small, dirty, big city apartment to an 8-5 union job.


56. Liberals believe that wealth is static - anyone who makes money must be stealing it from someone else.


57. Liberals claim to be against violence, but makes excuses for liberals like Castro who torture political dissidents.


58. Liberals have enormous compassion for criminal predators, but little for the victims.


59. Animal Rights activists despise humanity.


60. Liberals believe that passing religious values to children is a form of child abuse.


61. Liberals use moralistic tones and catch-phrases like "social justice", but their only moral is the accumulation of power


62. Liberals ideologies tend inevitably towards world-wide totalitarianism.


63. Liberals are never satisfied with the power they have gained over the lives of individuals - they must control every thought and detail of human activity.


64. In the liberal world, all problems stem from individualism, and all solutions are collective.


65. Liberals are humourless bores.


66. Bill Clinton raped Juanita Broaderick. Liberals don't care.


67. Bill Clinton used the IRS to oppress conservative political speech. Liberals admire him for it.


68. Scientists are obsessed with "life on other planets" to confirm the full theory of evolution. The alternative terrifies them.


69. Liberals are forever in search of a religion (New Age, pagan, Unitarianism, etc.) which smiles on promiscuity.


70. Liberals despise the Pope because he refuses to compromise on abortion, birth control, and divorce. All three positions discourage promiscuity.


71. Better that millions of Africans die in the agony of AIDS, and fortunes wasted on cures that don't work, than one liberal breath discouraging promiscuity.


72. A full-time mother enrages a liberal.


73. Liberals admire the Chinese forced abortion policy.


74. Twenty years after spectacularly successful airline deregulation, liberals still whine about it because they are obessed with collectivism, and they are elitests who don't like flying with the middle class.


75. Human life is cheap in the liberal world.


76. Liberals are Puritans - pompous, uptight, and legalistic. They crave a bland, monotholic culture where dissent is oppressed by criminal law.


77. Liberals cannot conceive of a solution to a problem which does not involve government.


78. Hillary's Village is a totalitarian state.


79. The EU is all about socialism.


80. Given the chance, liberals would ban the Bible as "hate speech".


81. Liberals view humans as monetary objects without moral motivation (welfare, etc.) , but view inaminate objects (guns, profits, etc.) in exclusively moral terms.


82. The Third Way is a new shade of lipstick on the same old socialist pig.


83. In Hillary's Village, parents are the child-rearing problem, not the solution.


84. Liberals supported the return of Elian Gonzalez because they admire Castro's collectivist island prison.


85. Michal Jackson is a paedophile. The liberal media admire him.


86. Liberals despise the death penalty as the ultimate statement of moral and individual responsibility.


87. Anyone who criticizes any aspect of homosexuality is hysterically accused of "homophobia" and "latent homosexuality".


88. Environmentalists have are all about socialism.


89. Modern art is obsessed with hatred for morality and Christianity.


90. The majority of US universities despise intellectual freedom.


91. Liberals are obsessed with the elimination of risk because risk is integral to freedom and personal responsibility.


92. Liberals create child abuse witchhunts, and often send innocent parents to prison in child abuse cases, to justify their destruction of parental rights.


93. Liberal bureaucrats oppress conservatives and Christians whenever possible.


94. Liberals are nasty, violent thugs.


95. Better thousands of women die in the agony of breast cancer, than one liberal breath revealing the link between breast cancer and abortion.


96. A liberal would sooner pull out his own teeth with a pair of pliers than cut a tax.


97. Liberals have never really given up on Marx.


98. Pedophilia is a big part of homosexual culture.


99. Liberals dream of a massive network of government social workers who control individual families in detail.


100. The goal of the United Nations is world-wide totalitarianism.


101. The primary tool of environmentalism is paranoia based on falsehood.


102. Like the modern liberal, Hitler was a socialist, not a fascist.


103. Liberals crave the kind of Gestapo "Zero-tolerance" society seen in modern public schools.


104. The liberal worships appetite and disdains self-discipline.


105. The liberal is an intolerant, narrow-minded, thug.


106. The liberal end of bigger government justifies any means - including lies, deception, corruption, and violence.


107. The national media is an extension of the Democrat party, and relentlessly liberal.


108. For the liberal, "bi-partisan" means being more liberal.


109. Animal Rights and Environmental "activists" are more about hatred of humanity than love of nature.


110. The liberal's favorite play, "The Vagina Monologues", glorifies child rape and pedophilia, among other perversions.


111. Global warming has everything to do with socialism and nothing to do with environment.


112. The Great Society has destroyed the poor.


113. Homeschooling mothers enrage liberals.


114. Liberals secretly applaud the selling of nuclear secrets to China.


115. The level of truth can be measured by the howling of the liberal press.


116. No creature on earth is more pompous than a network TV "journalist".


117. American liberals are embarassed by American success and freedom. Foreign liberals envy it.


118. Hillary's Village will be chock full of Soviet-style gulags.


119. The WNBA is all about lesbianism.


120. Better that millions of children be emotionally scarred, then one liberal breath against the divorce culture so vital to liberal promiscuity.


121. To the liberal, fathers are an unnecessary and mostly dangerous appendage to marriage and parenting.


122. Feminists believe that men are inherently evil.


123. Liberals believe that children derive no real benefit from married parents.


124. Liberals believe that children must have sex as soon as they are physically able - because they are physically able.


125. Global warming is all about hatred of capitalism.


126. The American Medical Association, National Academy of Sciences, and many other "scientific" organizations are liberal pipe-organs who put politics over science.


127. Liberals are elitests who despise Walmart because it so successfully serves the suburban and small-town middle-class.


128. Anything middle class enrages a liberal.


129. Feminists believe that lesbianism is the only acceptable lifestyle for a woman.


130. Liberals are continually angry because their promiscuous, government-obsessed lives are an empty bore.


131. In the public school system, liberals seek an American version of the Hitler Youth - universal political and cultural indoctrination into a rabid devotion to the collective. Hence, their hatred of homeschooling.


132. Gary Condit embodies the serial promiscuity that liberals crave.


133. Environmentalists are pagans.


134. Even though they make less money, Hollywood liberals make mostly R-rated movies to promote and justify their obsession with promiscuity.


135. Europeans hate George Bush because he bucks their dream of global governence.


136. Homosexuals are increasingly having unprotected sex because they value promiscuity over human life - even their own.


137. Pro-abortion liberals value promiscuity over human life.


138. Liberal globalists fear the power of America with an effective missile defence.


139. Liberals have tormented black families with a three-pronged attack - the drug culture, the sexual revolution, and the welfare state.


140. So-called "child protective" agencies collect Federal bounties for every child they remove and adopt out. Their primary agenda is the projection of power and left-wing politics.


141. North Korea is the end-game of liberalism.


142. The National Organization for Women is a twisted collection of men-hating lesbians.


143. Social science "research" is about liberal snouts deep in the Federal trough.


144. The "Durban Race Conference" illuminated the obsessive racism of liberals.


145. As the Nazi hates the Jew, so the liberal hates the Christian.


146. Liberals believe that evil is the absence of government control.


147. The liberal and the Taliban share a common hatred for freedom and Christianity.


148. Secular humanism is a religion which degenerates inevitably into paganism.


149. The liberal hates Israel because it a glaringly successful capitalist democracy in a sea of Arab oppression.


150. The liberal admires the centralized oppression of the Arab world.


151. There are two types of liberals: those who believe they are entitled to rule (i.e. the Clintons), and those who which to be ruled (i.e. soccer moms).


152. Liberal soccer moms believe that collectivist oppression will grant them "security".


153. Liberals desire mass immigration to garner the votes for a socialists state.


154. Any attempt to discuss immigration is met with liberal howls about "racism".


155. Palestinians will not rest until Israel is destroyed and every Jew is dead.


156. Islam is bent on world domination by any means available.


157. Clinton's greatest legacy is politics devoid of principle.


158. Catholic clergy pedophilia correlates directly with Catholic clergy homosexuality.


159. Liberals will eventually seek to normalize teacher-student sex.


160. Liberals despise single sex schools which discourage promiscuity and weaken Federal control.

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Tell me where any of these points are wrong.

Then I'll tell you where you're wrong.

[Jeff Murphy]

Wow!!! I hope that was a cut and paste and you didn't have to type all that...

[zoidberg]

S***, you know what, I didn't come here to argue this crap. I already hang out at 4 political boards, and argue this stuff until I want to slice my own head off. So let's relate this to cars. So..

The liberals in government have tried to destroy the auto industry in this country for decades. and by the late 1970's, they had almost accomplished it. Poniac and Oldsmobile were two potential victims, as well as Chrysler, and nobody seems to realize how close Ford came to total destruction, but let's limit this to vintage cars, which we all know the left despise. What would happen if they got their way, and all the old cars were crushed or, in the EPA's parlance, "deactivated"? The aftermarket performance and restoration market is a multi-BILLION dollar a year industry. What would happen to the economy if this industry dried up over night? The blow to this country's economy would be catastrophic. Hundred of thousands of people out of work. And it would not just effect the companies that are directly involved (i.e. Holley, Year One, Goodmark, Edelbrock, etc.), it would effect peripheral businesses as well. Can you imagine the chain reaction here? Liberals never look to the long run. Or if they do, they assign it no importance compared to the environment. Much the same as our loss of manufacturing jobs. How many plants did Chrysler operate in this country in 1970? How many have moved to Mexico and Canada in the last thirty years. Why? If the Big Three had to update all these plants every year, per EPA regulation, they would go bankrupt. So, once again, the party that truly "cares" about the working man does everything in it's power to screw him over.

Ok, now I'm officially sick of this topic.

[Belair62]

OK that was real refreshing...now let's let this one fade away quickly...

[whitetop]

skierkaj

I apologize for not spelling your name right. I tried to correct it but the edit feature passed.

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Despite myself being liberal, I still have my own view on things, such as owning as many guns as you want, cars as you want etc

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"I personally don't like all of Hitler's ideas but I sure do like how he turned around the economy -that's why I voted for his party"
German Jew 1933

You vote liberal consistently and sooner or later you will loose your guns and cars.


Bush BTW has a Harvard MBA-one of the very hardest and demanding MBA programs in the entire world. Harvard takes their MBA program very seriously and will let NO ONE skate through because of connections, political views or all the money in the world.

Don't even get me started on Bill "The Sinkmaster" Clinton

Dave

[Charley Lillard]

"Bush BTW has a Harvard MBA-one of the very hardest and demanding MBA programs in the entire world. Harvard takes their MBA program very seriously and will let NO ONE skate through because of connections, political views or all the money in the world.".... How can that possibly be ? I have listened to him struggle just trying to make a sentence.