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...You'd be surprised what people will do on the sly, then again you've probably seen what people try to do. [/ QUOTE ] Oh yeah...I've seen things allright. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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D!c#4e^ds! can we say that? Criminals - future convicts
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It seems that they are "wilma99" on ebay and looks to me to be in Tennessee.
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In an attempt to play the Devil's advocate, does anyone use reproduction tires on your restorations? Originals are available although usually more expensive. Do you always apply laquer paint, because it to is available? How about original poor quality chrome valve covers instead of the gorgeous reproductions? And is the Tonawanda decal the original or a reproduction.
I bought my carb from Eric and my completely original smog system from Bill Hodel. My distributor came from Jeff Dotterer and I have original valve stems and caps and am looking for NOS original tires. I am trying my best to keep things original. On my Corvette I even found original braided and correctly dated spark plug wires. 882 and 884 alternators in the Corvette community are getting darned near impossible to find. John Pirkle almost never sees them anymore. I am very fortunate he is restoring my original now. If you do find one, oh boy, get ready to spend some more than serious money. If someone did put a restamp 884 on a restoration, would they be trying something that is unforgiveable (on the sly, I believe it was)? I believe the day is approaching when a reproduction on some of these items will be the only alternative for some if they want 'matching numbers.' I believe that some folks may simply not have the expendable income to fork it over even if they do find a rare item. Should they absolutely not be allowed in the hobby? I hear what you folks are saying and as a NCRS and Bloomington Gold judge, I have to stay on my toes to be able to detect these items. I don't, however, think it is heresy for some to use them. At NCRS and BG, we judge the item based on how it appears in comparison to original. If it is undetectable, it gets full credit. If it is detectable then a point deduction is made. I do admire and appreciate seeing original parts. I don't believe those that may use reproductions such as tires, alternaters, valve covers, etc. should be banished for unacceptable behavior. Regards, Mark
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Mark Donnally 2002 Chrysler T & C Minivan (Ol’ Nelly) 322,946 original miles All numbers match...something New carpet and headliner New AC system, blows cold in the winter It ain't for sale so, don't ask |
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Never mind that you hardly ever come across some of the original parts, how about whole cars. In the whole of Southern Ontario I know of only a couple COPO Chevelles on the road, and one slow poke who needs go get his behind in gear.
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It seems that they are "wilma99" on ebay and looks to me to be in Tennessee. [/ QUOTE ] Just in case you were wondering...no relation to the real wilmasboy.....I've never been restamped!! wilma ![]()
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Never been restamped....how about remanufactured?
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While I understand the "need" for these parts in some circumstances, the unfortunate (and inevitable) result of these re-stamped parts going into circulation is that somewhere, sometime, someone is going to get taken to the cleaners buying something they thought was an original component.
This is the exact reason why I personally <u>absolutely refuse</u> to get anywhere near a restamped carb (or any other component for that matter) if/when I know it to be as such. As I stated on my website in regards to restamped carbs: "I have been asked many times if I will re-stamp a carburetor ID or date code, or if I can provide a re-stamped carburetor. In no uncertain terms, the answer is NO! I take extreme issue with the current crop of unscrupulous sellers who are passing off service replacement carbs that have either had their ID's ground off and re-stamped as an original dated carb, or those who add bogus date stamps to new re-issued carbs and again try to pass them off as originals. A certain very popular internet auction website is RIFE with examples. (For what it's worth, there are numerous differences between many of these replacement carbs and the originals, and a trained eye can usually spot one of these replacement carbs fairly easily) If YOU want to buy a new service replacement carb and have a date code stamped into it, that's fine, but don't ask me to do it. Why not? Some will argue "well, it's for my car, and as long as I own it I'll never try to pass it off as an original carb." That's all fine & dandy, but what happens if/when the car is sold? Are the consecutive owners going to be as "honest" about these bogus components? Not likely. Then later on down the road someone finds out "I" sold someone a re-stamped carburetor and my reputation and credibility immediately go down the drain." (emphasis added) If it were a perfect world where everyone could be trusted to buy a restamped part, install it on their car and NOT try to slip it under the buyers nose when the car is sold, I wouldn't care less about the matter...but we don't live in a perfect world, and unsuspecting buyers are getting hosed on bogus parts every day. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but that seriously pisses me off. I can't stand seeing people getting screwed over like that. I guess I'm too "old-fashioned" for my own good in today's business world. Eric |
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Eric,
I am happy you are the way you are and as long as I can afford it I will buy from people like you. The truth is, people have and will continue to buy fraudulent cars and parts. They will learn a painful lesson and most likely become a better buyer thereafter. Judges will try to stay on top of what is right and wrong so proper deductions and credits can be received. John Pirkle educated me on what is wrong with the current crop of very, very well done restamped alternators so, for now, I can see the reproductions. Selling a well done reproduction as a reproduction is, in my opinion, completely acceptable. I don't think I need to say what it is when a reproduction is sold to an unsuspecting buyer as original. I think we all agree on what is morally right and wrong. I do believe it is wrong for any of us to say that anyone who buys these products is not worthy to be in this hobby or that they should somehow not be as welcomed as the all original 1.6 mile red/red climate controlled still on MSO ZL1 owner. I just believe there is room for everyone without any mudslinging. Respectfully, Mark
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Mark Donnally 2002 Chrysler T & C Minivan (Ol’ Nelly) 322,946 original miles All numbers match...something New carpet and headliner New AC system, blows cold in the winter It ain't for sale so, don't ask |
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Never been restamped....how about remanufactured? ![]() ![]() ![]() [/ QUOTE ] Sammy, I'm a survivor model....mostly original paint with a few touchups....driveline is born with...compression is still OK....shifter hangs up now and then....but it usually pops right back in to place with a little extra effort ![]() Overall, good driver quality condition ![]() wilma
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