Barrett Jackson Las Vegas

[Canuck]

I will be curious to see if the footage of that sale is included in the endless reruns over the next 3 months.

Paul

[Les Quam]

I don't know why I am following this perhaps its like stopping to look at an auto accident on the side of the road?

Its my understanding the original shell absent the identity tags was sold and the identity tags with the paperwork was sold at another time??? Then we are presuming they were never reunited?????????

Anyway, NJSteve I think despite the boilerplate consignment K the buyer is a buyer in good faith and if his funds have not been disbursed BJ can and should withhold payment to the seller pending the cloud being removed from the title? In this case I think the cloud can be removed by removing a fender and checking for the hidden heaterbox VIN? That would be best answered by a Camaro expert? The way I read the K, BJ doesn't waive liability for selling a car with an illegally transferred VIN once they are put on notice. Absent notice I think they have no liability? In this case it appears BJ is on notice the car may have the VIN and identity of another car and I think if I was advising them I would advise them to withhold the funds and put the funds in escrow. I would also advise them to just go out and pull the fender while this is removal is being videotaped and look for the VIN. The NHP would also do it while the car is still here. If no VIN or wrong VIN I would tell the seller to pick up his car and give the buyer his money back. It doesn't matter whether the seller was a good faith seller in due course he is stuck with the car. I know BJ doesn't pay their sellers for at least a month so the funds should still be there. If the car has been shipped it needs to come back to Vegas and NHP can investigate its identity.
What do you think?

It also seems to me when the car was being restored someone during this process would have looked at the hidden VIN under the heaterbox? How would that not have happened? Just wondering?

Bottom line this why I can call all the original owners of my three Camaro's I own. Camaro world is a very scary place sometimes. I need to talk to live bodies before I will buy a Camaro.

[DarrenX33]

Owner history is a good thing. Like you Les, I have plenty on both my cars.

[Les Quam]

I think what causes this case to be different is that BJ may be on notice that an issue as to the cars identity exists? Or at least we are inferring that BJ knows about the problem based on the other internet forums threads? It doesn't matter now in my opinion whether classicGary is real or not it appears from this thread, paperwork with the cars VIN was sold on ebay as well as possibly the body shell which is sufficient to prompt an investigation into the cars identity I would think?

If it is true Ron Pratt bought the car if I was BJ I would be working toward resolving this since he is one of their best customers. ClassicGary and his assertions may or may not be accurate and could all be fictious but it appears the shell and paperwork were sold on ebay I would think the buyer would want this thing clearly resolved? And quickly.

[427.060]

Les, you mention looking for the hidden VIN under the heater box. What's to say that all the hidden VINs were not restamped?
James

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

I guess I saw a crowd of gapers and came to see what was going on. Was this the green Z that had the ss and z emblems on the front?????

I saw that car go over and was mesmerized by the color and lights etc. I remember thinking wow is that a beautiful car.

What ever happens it's a shame

[Les Quam]

James,
Your right I guess the hidden heaterbox VIN could be restamped? I was proceeding on the assumption there is some VIN somewhere on a camaro that couldn't be restamped without leaving evidence of tampering/welding some trail? Not being a camaro expert and in fact being a newbie camaro guy I leave that to the experts.

[al8apex]

Gary posted his phone number numerous times in the original post

I did not write it down

He is a real person

there was a real sale of the items on ebay years ago

the same VIN appeared on a shell a year AFTER he sold the "memorabilia"

[Les Quam]

I would submit if thats all true, all of us in the hobby have an interest in helping to protect buyers. If the buyer is in fact Ron Pratt he is good for the hobby in that he keeps buying cars in a terrible market which helps support the value's of all our muscle cars. He seems to be an avid collector and it seems to me we want all the collectors we can get in this hobby? If he buys what later turns out to be a re-bodied car he won't be happy and may be unhappy enough to get out of the hobby? I think we need more collectors and buyer not less. In that regard if he is the buyer and if anyone can contact him I think someone should let him know what we seem to know for him to form his own opinion? I think it needs to be done immediately before the car leaves Vegas if it hasn't and before the sale proceeds are issued to the seller.

[rich p]

He has already been pointed this direction !!