Barrett Jackson Las Vegas

[camarojoe]

Just a guess, but I'd bet that a BUNCH of the street rods and custom cars that pass through BJ have VINs that aren't original to the actual car rolling across the block if anyone were actually to look into it.

[chevelleheart]

Not to change the topic but is there any more discussion's on the red LS6 Chevelle Convertible that went across the block on Sat night that Ron also purchased? Just curious?

[Bill Pritchard]

I have seen no other substantial discussion either here or on the Chevelle website. The Chevelle's issues pale in comparison to the Camaro, so it's probably nothing but an afterthought at this point.

[PeteLeathersac]

Regardless of who's going to take a fall here, BJ may not be all innocent even if they have written provisions in their auction agreements to escape legal problems?.
If failing to do their utmost to protect both buyers and sellers of cars that may have a shady history has been their choice, poor attendance and sales at future BJ auctions could result in a worse penalty...a financial one?.

Any auction house who has true concerns for their buyers and sellers should post Vins of upcoming cars w/ ample time ahead of the auction date to allow the collector car community to gather any relevant facts together and present them before the car crosses the block..
If any auction house chooses not to do this and/or heed any serious concerns raised before sale, that's their choice and they may have to live w/ the long term resulting financial losses if the facts come out after the sale?.

Obviously no one should condemn Jerry M. without his report being displayed..
He's not a stupid man and his concerns for this specific car also disclaimer for circumstances such as this on any car he inspects is most likey included in his report?.

If this case is as clear cut as Les Q. above seems to feel, it could be the beginning of many more to come?.
With plenty of similar situations sitting in garages all over the world there's no doubt lots of people sitting on the edge of their seats watching what unfolds here?.
Best of luck to any true innocents that get caught up in the crossfire!.


~ Pete

[chevelleheart]

True Bill P. ! I was wondering if anyone else had seen the car , paperwork etc as I was having doubt's about my impressions on the car and if anyone knew for sure ,...I'd appreciate a private email with there thoughts ??( [email protected])

[TDW]

I read on the Team Camaro site that the report from MacNeish is 3 pages long. It isn't his job to tear the car apart to look at all the date stamps and the hidden VIN stamps. He does a visual inspection of the TT, VIN plate and major components. It would be impossible for him to disect every car he inspects. If the car in question had a factory issued TT,VIN plate, rivets in the TT are genuine and there is no evidence of tampering to the firewall, should MacNeish go any farther in looking for a rebody? Or anything for that matter? I don't see how the "Expert got fooled" is the right statement to make here.

[SD 396]

Maybe the "experts" or appraisers for that matter need to have a disclaimer in their report to indemnify them from verification of original body, block, trans, etc. and potential legal proceedings. What more can they do than verify what they can see on the surface? Sure you can get a scope in some hidden places but some changes are very difficult if not impossible to detect. Where does this leave the uneducated buyer or owner? I research all the cars I buy before hand but I am sure that an owner isn't going to let me rip the whole car apart before I buy it.

[kwhizz]

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I read on the Team Camaro site that the report from MacNeish is 3 pages long. It isn't his job to tear the car apart to look at all the date stamps and the hidden VIN stamps. He does a visual inspection of the TT, VIN plate and major components. It would be impossible for him to disect every car he inspects. If the car in question had a factory issued TT,VIN plate, rivets in the TT are genuine and there is no evidence of tampering to the firewall, should MacNeish go any farther in looking for a rebody? Or anything for that matter? I don't see how the "Expert got fooled" is the right statement to make here.

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Think about it.........If Jerry was to really "Certify" beyond any doubt..........Is that really possible.........He's brought a "Paper Trail" Numbers car.....Would the owner allow someone to take the car down to the point of removing the paint and Primer to check for any apparent deceptive metal working in the Hidden Vin Area's.........I don't think so....So......In that Case, How is anything validated anymore.........I heard of a ZL-1 that is being rebodied where the restorer (Owner???) found an old timer who came in to Hammer Weld the hidden vin #'s in to be non detectable.........Again.....The "Publically" known real cars have probably the Best Validation.......The Cars that fall out of the Sky after all these years are the ones that "Really" need to be looked at Closer.....
Are they what they are.........Or......What the Owner wants them to be.........With the Legal Exposure as it is today......Who could or would ever "Validate" 100% that it is anything other than what the Car "Appears" to be....

Just my $.02

Ken

[Hylton]

I'm so tired of all this sh!t....

[wagonman]

this is the "[censored]"i have been saying would happen!!!!!

told you all so!!!

but you guys killed the messenger!!!!