Window Stickers

[fsc66]

This is like watching fake news where people take things out of context and report only on sections that promote their thought or cases. Try to read everything:

" For those of you that are lucky enough to own the original paperwork and documentation, we all envy you. For those that aren’t as lucky, now is the time to own your own expertly reproduced Documents that make great Novelty items for display purposes"


Paul

[fsc66]

Ok, so you pulled the word authentic out and gave us a lesson on what the word means. Very good, guess you forgot about the next word, "looking" as in "authentic looking".
Good Job on that.
Why don't you look up the meaning of "Monroney Sticker" or "Window sticker" and forget everything else and explain what that means and again forget everything else on my page!!!

Paul

[Lee Stewart]

Originally Posted by fsc66

Ok, so you pulled the word authentic out and gave us a lesson on what the word means. Very good, guess you forgot about the next word, "looking" as in "authentic looking".
Good Job on that.
Why don't you look up the meaning of "Monroney Sticker" or "Window sticker" and forget everything else and explain what that means and again forget everything else on my page!!!

Paul

OK - I will make two substitutions instead of the word "authentic" according to the Dictionary:

"We custom create GENUINE looking documents for 1960 through 1982 Chevrolet Cars and Trucks"

"We custom create REAL looking documents for 1960 through 1982 Chevrolet Cars and Trucks"

Hows that?

Paul - let me ask you an honest question . . .

In all the years you have been reproducing your documents has there ever been a case where you fell victim to an unscrupulous person who used your documents to defraud another individual?

[fsc66]

Lee,
To answer your question, no, I have never fell to that issue. Have you ever seen a single one of my documents used in an advertisement and not stated that they are reproductions?

paul

[Lee Stewart]

Paul:

You posted some sources for reproduction documentation in post #95 that you feel are totally reliable right?

How about this fake 1969 L89 Camaro SS 396?

Camaro L-89. Documented by GM Historic Division. One of 311 produced Rotisserie restored 2005 maintains all original body panels and Original numbers matching 396 L-89 engine and 12 bolt rear end M-22 Muncie Transmission replaced under warranty and carries no VIN Original cowl tag damaged and replaced during restoration Equipment includes factory console gauges, Walnut Wheel Deluxe interior , Am-Fm radio Original rims with Bias Ply Tires Chamebered exhaust. Verifying paperwork from Canadian GM Historic Division and MTO (Ontario License Bureau) original Protecto-Plate included ... Pictures were taken 2016 ... Very rare mint L-78 L89 1969 Camaro

Price $ 125,000 US Dollars

http://www.cars-on-line.com/gen3-car.../posting/89129

There is a very long thread about this car here at Yenko.Net:

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=94165

Just a footnote Paul:

I grew up in No. Merrick and owned a house in Lynbrook. You can call me a displaced Long Islander.

[mr 707]

There has been some well know cases in my neck of the woods in ohio. They didnt go well for the forgers. Again i said i have no problem with reproduction window stickers BUT if they are represented as real thats a problem. I made no reference to whatever cars your talking about in this thread(i dont know anything about them) . ASK ANY lawyer. Stamping a vin number or hanging a fake tag in order to decieve someone your asking for legal trouble. MY OPINION

[fsc66]

Lee,
Post #95 is by someone named Astrojet on that thread you referenced, not sure what you are talking about.
Are you asking me if I think it's ok when fake anything is used in an advertisement, whether paperwork, tags or anything else?
Of course not, that is why I am constantly on so many forums helping to identify reproduction documents when advertised as authentic.
That's also why I work with admins from various web sites to help them identify repro paperwork advertised as real. And that's why I also work with some restoration shops to help identify reproduction paperwork prior to them working especially on high valued cars in order to protect themselves. And that's also why I send e-mails to people on ebay and Muscle Car Retail shops selling these vehicles advertised with original paperwork when it is not.
Not sure if that answers your questions?

Paul

[DW31S]

Just curious, and I have no gun in this fight, but do you charge for authenticating original documents? I have the original docs (got them from a fastidious first owner) and my paperwork is approaching 50 years old and appears as new. I still think there are car owners (like me) who's paperwork might look like new because of the type of person that kept the docs in a safe. I went to an office supply warehouse and made exact color copies of my stuff and laminated the copies. I made a binder with the laminated items and that is what I use at shows, events, etc.
I hate to sound cynical, but unless there is an established chain of ownership, I question supporting paperwork on these old cars. Back in the '80s I saw a fellow spitting out new POP on a GM machine with GM tape and GM cards. I thought the whole thing stunk, but I witnessed in person.
Another question along the lines of the book signing and baseball signing: if you had a POP made for your car from original GM supplies on an original machine used by GM representatives, is that a "REAL" POP?

[Steve Shauger]

Originally Posted by DW31S

Just curious, and I have no gun in this fight, but do you charge for authenticating original documents? I have the original docs (got them from a fastidious first owner) and my paperwork is approaching 50 years old and appears as new. I still think there are car owners (like me) who's paperwork might look like new because of the type of person that kept the docs in a safe. I went to an office supply warehouse and made exact color copies of my stuff and laminated the copies. I made a binder with the laminated items and that is what I use at shows, events, etc.
I hate to sound cynical, but unless there is an established chain of ownership, I question supporting paperwork on these old cars. Back in the '80s I saw a fellow spitting out new POP on a GM machine with GM tape and GM cards. I thought the whole thing stunk, but I witnessed in person.
Another question along the lines of the book signing and baseball signing: if you had a POP made for your car from original GM supplies on an original machine used by GM representatives, is that a "REAL" POP?

Simply put NO!!!

[DW31S]

Originally Posted by paceme

Simply put NO!!!

I agree Steve, so we think alike. At that time I had a '69 Pace Car (small block, stick) and we all were joking about how nobody would ever care about docs and such for a small block Pace Car. I could have had one of the "new" POP for free; I declined the offer.