Get Ready To Plug in Or Unplug?

[Astock]

Originally Posted by 70 copo

California cannot even keep its current electric commitments given the rolling black outs.

The infrastructure and technology to go electric is and remains the primary issue.

Never noticed an increase in our electric bill. Turn on one of the two commercial a/c units on the roof just for a couple days, and it pops us up to the next tier of electric use.

We have two BMW i3's and I would never go back to gas if I had to pick.

I've been driving my wife's i3 while she's in Ohio, and I'm now hooked. I drive it full bore 80% of the time.
Because it's green, I feel privileged to speed. If you steer the car using the crazy amount of torque, it's a blast. Most of the car is made of carbon fiber and weighs in at 2900 lbs.

I paid $9,200 for my daughter's i3, with under 60,000 miles. High tech car, with side, front, and back sensors, along with one pedal driving. Great for a first time driver like my daughter here in S.Ca.

[70 copo]

Originally Posted by Astock

Never noticed an increase in our electric bill. Turn on one of the two commercial a/c units on the roof just for a couple days, and it pops us up to the next tier of electric use.

We have two BMW i3's and I would never go back to gas if I had to pick.

I've been driving my wife's i3 while she's in Ohio, and I'm now hooked. I drive it full bore 80% of the time.
Because it's green, I feel privileged to speed. If you steer the car using the crazy amount of torque, it's a blast. Most of the car is made of carbon fiber and weighs in at 2900 lbs.

I paid $9,200 for my daughter's i3, with under 60,000 miles. High tech car, with side, front, and back sensors, along with one pedal driving. Great for a first time driver like my daughter here in S.Ca.

It is not you specifically.

In order to transition to a green economy with electric car ownership the infrastructure will need to be replaced nationwide.

Average house has 100 amp service at the box. Fast charger technology requires 200 amp minimum. Once the breaker boxes are upgraded then the transmission capacity at the street and the grid becomes completely and utterly substandard.

The stated solution for the last 30 years is to press for high speed trains and other forms of mass transit to deal with the problem.

The "problem" as viewed by the planners is that people want to drive.

[ZiggyL78]

Originally Posted by 70 copo

It is not you specifically.

In order to transition to a green economy with electric car ownership the infrastructure will need to be replaced nationwide.

Average house has 100 amp service at the box. Fast charger technology requires 200 amp minimum. Once the breaker boxes are upgraded then the transmission capacity at the street and the grid becomes completely and utterly substandard.

The stated solution for the last 30 years is to press for high speed trains and other forms of mass transit to deal with the problem.

The "problem" as viewed by the planners is that people want to drive.

Maybe each home could have a gas powered generator

[70 copo]

Originally Posted by ZiggyL78

Maybe each home could have a gas powered generator

This is not too far off the mark for the unfortunate residents of California.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...d-to-the-brink

So what is likely:

The executive order would drive up power demands in the state by as much as 9.5% over the next 10 years and 25% by 2035. Currently rolling back outs are ordered to prevent the system from collapsing during heat waves right now.

So it reasons that if everyone were to plug in their vehicles at the same time, at night, the problem could be concentrated and even worse.

Logically people would have to stagger when and how they plug in their vehicles for charging, taking into account when the state’s solar energy kicks in and when wind power peaks, for example if everyone plugs in right after work that's roughly the same time everyone also decides to turn on their air conditioning, stoves and televisions, so again at roughly the same time, solar power then dips around sunset, forcing gas plants to pick up demand.

Any way you view this it's not good.

[scuncio]

The load sharing idea you've outlined below is the core of the 'V2G' (vehicle to grid) features and standards that are being developed between OEMs and utilities. What you didn't touch on is any vehicle with bidirectional power delivery can also feed energy back into the grid to help load-balance. I'm not suggesting this is easy or addresses all the concerns around today's grid integrity, but it helps.

Originally Posted by 70 copo

This is not too far off the mark for the unfortunate residents of California.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...d-to-the-brink

So what is likely:

The executive order would drive up power demands in the state by as much as 9.5% over the next 10 years and 25% by 2035. Currently rolling back outs are ordered to prevent the system from collapsing during heat waves right now.

So it reasons that if everyone were to plug in their vehicles at the same time, at night, the problem could be concentrated and even worse.

Logically people would have to stagger when and how they plug in their vehicles for charging, taking into account when the state’s solar energy kicks in and when wind power peaks, for example if everyone plugs in right after work that's roughly the same time everyone also decides to turn on their air conditioning, stoves and televisions, so again at roughly the same time, solar power then dips around sunset, forcing gas plants to pick up demand.

Any way you view this it's not good.

[mssl72]

Originally Posted by 70 copo

This is not too far off the mark for the unfortunate residents of California.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...d-to-the-brink

So what is likely:

The executive order would drive up power demands in the state by as much as 9.5% over the next 10 years and 25% by 2035. Currently rolling back outs are ordered to prevent the system from collapsing during heat waves right now.

So it reasons that if everyone were to plug in their vehicles at the same time, at night, the problem could be concentrated and even worse.

Logically people would have to stagger when and how they plug in their vehicles for charging, taking into account when the state’s solar energy kicks in and when wind power peaks, for example if everyone plugs in right after work that's roughly the same time everyone also decides to turn on their air conditioning, stoves and televisions, so again at roughly the same time, solar power then dips around sunset, forcing gas plants to pick up demand.

Any way you view this it's not good.

I'm gonna start packing.

[scuncio]

Originally Posted by mssl72

I'm gonna start packing.

As a former resident of California, I think you guys have other reasons to start packing besides EVs.... Crazy out there, between the wildfires, homelessness, etc.