Unsuspecting buyers with repro documents

[the427king]

But he did list you as a "celebrity" owner.....

[TAR6569]

that ebay seller he refers to is out of business I believe. Used to have a website too, which is no more. I thought his documentation package cost more than that. He was even making cowl tags. He reproduced so many of the paper items found with the owners manual. I could always point out his work. He would add extra rubber ink stamps to the documents/warranty books he made and sold. Stuck out like a sore thumb. Like stamping the OK Used Car logo in the warranty book. Why would a brand new car have any OK Used Car stuff with it! haha

Then there was Bill Clement? down in TX. He was selling repro warranty books as NOS claiming they were simply consigning them for someone else and "we think they are real". He was asking several hundred a piece and people were buying them! Did the same thing for blank window sticker forms.

[mr 707]

With the releasing of the ncrs documenti i bet owners with those fake pops were sent scrambling.

[fsc66]

Roy:
"Simply not true, NCRS does not allow a window sticker to be displayed unless it has been validated by their service, they assign no points to any paperwork and never have"
So, what you are saying is that any of these reproduced documents by the corvette museum would have to be validated, before they would be allowed to be displayed, correct?
Additionally, there are hundreds of people that think Bloomington requires either a list of options, window sticker or reproduction window sticker, to display the option list. I am not talking about judging the documents just that most people understand it's required. Looking through any Corvette forums, you will see the same. However you are saying, Blookington will not even allow a window sticker or reproduction window sticker to be displayed unless it has been validated?

Paul

[rsinor]

Originally Posted by fsc66

So, what you are saying is that any of these reproduced documents by the corvette museum would have to be validated, before they would be allowed to be displayed, correct?
Paul

NCRS does not offer any type of validation service for the 1975 through current paperwork the NCM can produce actual copies of, so no NCRS does not require those documents be validated. NCRS does not judge paperwork. They do require the blue sky figment of your imagination documents for 1962 through 1971 Corvettes be validated before you even display it at one of their shows, again it is not judged.

Originally Posted by fsc66

Additionally, there are hundreds of people that think Bloomington requires either a list of options, window sticker or reproduction window sticker, to display the option list. I am not talking about judging the documents just that most people understand it's required. Looking through any Corvette forums, you will see the same. Paul

Bloomington is not NCRS! NCRS is a non profit hobbyist group, Bloomington is a for profit privately owned organization and unlike NCRS they do assign judging points to the documents.

Originally Posted by fsc66

However you are saying, Bloomington will not even allow a window sticker or reproduction window sticker to be displayed unless it has been validated?
Paul

No I said NCRS would not allow window stickers to be displayed unless they could be validated. The NCM documents are authentic copies just like the PHS documents and the records available from the Marti report on Fords.

NCRS does not judge paperwork, NCRS wants nothing to do with the counterfeit cottage industry. again NCRS is not Bloomington.

[fsc66]

Roy, just for the record, what company is doing the reproduction documents for PHS?
Secondly, I have been to the Syosset Exotic Cars, NCRS judged event and there were about 25 cars there. Approx 6-7 of the cars judged displayed window stickers that were not validated and some pretty poor reproductions. I understand that the documents themselves are not being judged but they surely had them displayed. Unless the various chapters have their own rules.

Paul

[MosportGreen66]

Originally Posted by fsc66

Roy, just for the record, what company is doing the reproduction documents for PHS?
Secondly, I have been to the Syosset Exotic Cars, NCRS judged event and there were about 25 cars there. Approx 6-7 of the cars judged displayed window stickers that were not validated and some pretty poor reproductions. I understand that the documents themselves are not being judged but they surely had them displayed. Unless the various chapters have their own rules.

Paul

Paul, what does it matter? Roy has made it clear that the documents are not judged. The vendor is a competitor of yours (regardless of "quality" of reproduction). The act was done by the car owner or car restorer. This deviates from the topic of conversation and skirts around core issues at hand.

Dan

[rsinor]

Originally Posted by fsc66

Roy, just for the record, what company is doing the reproduction documents for PHS?
Secondly, I have been to the Syosset Exotic Cars, NCRS judged event and there were about 25 cars there. Approx 6-7 of the cars judged displayed window stickers that were not validated and some pretty poor reproductions. I understand that the documents themselves are not being judged but they surely had them displayed. Unless the various chapters have their own rules.

Paul

my comments were directed at Regional and National events where the National Judging chairman is present and can enforce the rules, chapter events are just that chapter, if no national club officials are there all bets are off.

[rsinor]

Originally Posted by fsc66

Roy, just for the record, what company is doing the reproduction documents for PHS?
Paul

I believe PHS does them, you would have to ask them.

[fsc66]

All:
I've decided that any further correspondences I have relating to this thread, I will handle via PM. There is much more to this issue than meets the eye and there is no reason to make it public at this point.

Thanks,
Paul