THE LAST??? 1967 Z-28 - Page 11

70 copo · #**101** 03-27-2008, 02:24 AM

Kurt,

You should run for office.

As anyone who can read the other posts I did here will see those posts were with "William" who also connected his opinions to the "CRG" as did you. Clearly you two "tag teamed me" and you simply took over after he posted for the last time and promptly continued the CRG "our way or the Highway" agenda.

As for the rest of what you say, I am an adult and I will act like it. Please have a good day!

70 copo · #**102** 03-27-2008, 02:29 AM

Charlie,

You need to read the above reply to Kurt. True or not? I have a right to stick up for what I think is true.

No rules broken. I am sure you ripped William for his Mild obscene remark he made to me in a previous post that I did not deserve at all.

Hylton · #**103** 03-27-2008, 02:55 AM

I always end up putting my nose into things when I shouldn't but I can't let this one go. Although I agree that CRG could do a better job at publishing it's collected information, the work that these individuals have done have been huge for Camaro enthusiasts around the world. Much of the information we know today is a direct result of the hard work and effort of these guys and I thank them for it!

70 copo · #**104** 03-27-2008, 03:05 AM

I agree 100% The CRG is the best resource on the net. We simply disagree on this one issue.

**Kurt S** · #**105** 03-27-2008, 04:01 AM

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Ditto on the Deuces! I came late to this party, interesting read.

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I don't know much about 68 Nova's.

The 69+ body numbers are confirmation #'s. The guy entering the data would enter the cars that were optioned the same at the same time. For each car ordered, a confirmation # would be received. It could be the computer system or it could be operator error, but sometimes one in a group was missed, kicked back, or maybe the order was hung up in the computer for a few minutes. However it happened, that order would then drop in the midst of the next group of cars.

The scheduler would schedule them in what ever order he deemed. Add in the possible holdups in the body shop. So for a given batch of cars, relative to the VIN, the body #'s may both up or go down or bounce around.

**Late BrakeU2** · #**106** 03-27-2008, 04:17 AM

I knew this thread would blow past 100 posts!

What about the JL8 cars..did they receive TT's and wait on parts and VIN's or were they tight?

Verne_Frantz · #**107** 03-27-2008, 05:12 AM

I've been enjoying this thread too (from a technical side - not the arguments) because I've been trying to understand and document assembly plant practices in the 58-64 era for 25 years.

One thing my research can offer is the fact that (in that era) Fisher Body sequence numbers do not follow in the same order as the final VINs assigned. It is also not uncommon to find a body build date and body # out of sequence (based on VIN final assembly) with other body build dates.

For example, there may be 50 cars in VIN order that have a body build date of (let's say) 05A or 05B, then a car with a VIN 50 higher will show up with a body build date of 04D, and an expected lower body sequence number.

I'm not taking any sides in any argument. Just merely stating what my dbase of 1000s of 58-64s has proven. And like the CRG, my data is available as correlated information, (though it's not on line) and the individual owner information is kept strictly private. Unlike the CRG (or any Camaro research), I've had to deal with 15 different assembly plants over that time. However I can state that the process of order reception, VIN assignment, broadcast to the lines and Fisher Body build orders appears to be the same at all 15 plants, and it closely coincides with the procedures Kurt has described. There are some notable differences of course, but they don't apply to the 67-8-9 topic of this thread. (sorry if I've strayed)

Verne

**Kurt S** · #**108** 03-27-2008, 05:13 AM

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We simply disagree on this one issue.

[/ QUOTE ]I'm just not sure what that one issue is!

70 copo · #**109** 03-27-2008, 05:25 AM

Verne,

The Fisher body # and VIN# do not line up on the 67's either. Thanks for sharing.

Phil

**Kurt S** · #**110** 03-28-2008, 12:32 AM

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What about the JL8 cars..did they receive TT's and wait on parts and VIN's or were they tight?

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No car ever received a trim tag and then waited on parts. The job of the scheduler was to make sure that all the parts for the car were in house before the car even was started.
JL8's appear to fit in as 'normal' production (as opposed to Abby Normal).