Camaros @ carlisle no more!!

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Thanks for the update. What is your strategy to increase the car count?

[x Baldwin Motion]

It is sad that both events could not continue on different dates. The turn-out has been poor at best the last two years.

I will make the trip however, if the solid lifter showroom show is returning.

[CamarosRus]

Mr Lance Miller comes on this thread with his company rheteric.

I've attended each Camaros at Carlisle since 2000. The ACA Camaros at Carlisle show WAS THE G.M. Nationals. ACES (Chevelles), NNN (Novas) did not support the G.M. show. I've been told that the G.M. Nationals was Carlisle's smallest show.
I believe there were 700 Camaros there in 2010 and 300 of all other G.M. nameplates.

From everything I've read and heard (from the American Camaro Assoc and Maryland C.C.) Carlisle Productions made in increasingly difficult to cooperate and negotiate issues with.

I've read that the ACA Camaro Nationals was the only "event" at CARLISLE not produced by Carlisle Productions. I can well imagine that a big time outfit like Carlisle was not going to be told much as to how, when, and what was going to happen within their infrastucture.

There is no question that losing the CARLISLE site is a big blow phychologically to the Camaro Nationals.
I can only hope and pray that the real Camaro enthusiasts give the new location and the MCC a chance to keep the only Camaro Nationals event alive.

I would have to think that Brian Henderson and his many loyal followers will continue producing the Solid Lifter showroom (or what they may call it from year to year). This is a huge loss to the participants/spectators of the Camaro Nationals. The Super Car Workshop easily does many of the best Camaro restorations in the world.

I am also curious as to why the SCW is no longer a sponsor here ?

Was the SCW a participant at the 2010 SCR ?

Sincerely, Chuck Sharin

[m22mike]

The Carlisle GM Nationals, which will be held June 24-26, 2011, will be another great year.

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Stick a fork in it...it's done

[SSRSBOB]

Just talked with two of the ACA concours judges. Lance must be drinking too much kool-aid. Typical politian for Carlisle. The fact is and this is right from the horses mouth.......Carlisle pushed ACA from the show due to how they like to run things. Seperating the Y building concours judging from the show field was a stupid thing to do. Many who attended the show did not know that there were Camaros in Y building. When you segragate a show of that size and don't work with the organization that brings in 700 Camaros, there's a serious problem. It's Carlisle's loss.

Was also told that some of the show cars were paid to bring their cars to the show and ACA officals were not. I know that Mcneish had his NHRA national record holding 67 Z28 there for all to see. The fastest 302 Z28 in the world. He was not paid. Christinsen had the Indy pace car there that paced the '69 Indy 500. He was not paid. These are only a small example of the politics that goes on behind the scenes.

Without the ACA Camaro Nationals at Carlisle, that event will die a slow death!

What a shame!

Bob

This post was made by Jerry MacNeish. You see SSRSBOB is Jerry MacNeish confirmed by IP and other sites he joined with same IP address. Very lame attempt at self promotion.

[SSRSBOB]

Here's what Mcneish posted on CRG.

Bob

Ron,

All that happened at Carlisle was Carlisle's fault...........you have no idea of all the issues that they caused behind the scenes. It's not easy doing what had to be done and at 59 years old, it's the last thing that I want to do. But, I will support the ACA and the Camaro Nationals as long as I am healthy to do so. This event needs to be there for all who are serious about restoring these cars correctly........and the good old Camaro enthusiast! All of our staff with be there. These are people you can depend on........and if Carlisle does not want to work with us, then that's the way it will be. We will move on!

Here's a couple of examples for you. Did you know that owners were paid to bring cars in the garage outside the fairgrounds??? People like myself and Larry Christensen own some of the rarest cars known to the hobby. We don't charge anything to bring our cars there. I brought out my 1967 Z28 NHRA National recording holding Z28 for all to see. &quot;THE YENKO EATER.&quot; It's the fastest NHRA stock eliminator 302 Z28 in the world......and restored like a show car! I am glad to bring it for all to see. FREE! Larry Christensen has brough THE 1969 Indy pace that paced the race.........does it all for free. But yet others are being paid to bring in cars......and cars that don't rise to the pedigree of what our organization brings to the table. Ken Lucas, Larry Christensen and Bob Harris restore the nicest Camaros in the world.........and they are at the ACA Camaro Nats for all to see. I'm only touching the tip of the iceberg. You have no idea on the issues that go on behind closed doors............

Jerry

[Steve Shauger]

I happened to like the GM Nationals at Carlisle. To me being a Camaro lover it was more like the Camaro Nationals than anything else. I would have liked to see other models and GM brands participate. Possibly Carlisle didn't do enough to encourage the others brands, or other reasons.

I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision for the ACA to move the venue, and my hope is that the finger pointing by others stops.

The above posts premise <span style="font-weight: bold">&quot;Did you know that owners were paid to bring cars in the garage outside the fairgrounds???&quot; </span>is absolutely patently false. The Solid Lifter Showroom ( garage outside fairgrounds), organizers and participants were not paid to bring cars period.

Now there may be valid reasons for the split but lets not rush to judgement. In addition, at this point a decision has been made to split, and point of the above post is??? Anyway both the ACA and Carlisle has been very good to our hobby. I don't have a dog in this fight, but want to set the record straight on that point.

Who knows maybe something can be worked out that is a win, win for both the Camaro Nationals and Carlisle. Making this a pissing contest leads to know where.

The Vintage Certification team has been part of the concours judging team at the Camaro National since day one. In fact we were the first to judge in the Y building back in 1999 and we are disappointed.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

That's a big claim by Jerry, would like to hear the facts that back it up! It's a shame to see the Camaros at Carlisle show go away. I really enjoy the show, and Brian pulling together the SLS is a huge success - that dealership is outside the f/grounds, and is free!

The other marques were not present because of scheduling conflicts for the ACES club, and no specific host hotel for the NNN club. Two very valid reasons. The NNN club was there in force for the first GM show, in fact we took home the club participation award - so its not like the other marque clubs haven't tried.

[Xplantdad]

You would think that all of the different clubs would try and work together...especially if they have conflicting dates...rather than compete against each other-thereby reducing the attendance at all of the events?

Just my opinion...

[m22mike]

I was not paid for participating in the Solid Lifter Showroom. Nor do I personally know of anyone who was.
I will not comment on others inside the building being paid. They can speak for themselves here if they chose to.
I was also was delighted to be included in a display with some &quot;World Class&quot; restores' and restored cars. And that included what may be the world standard for an original untouched 69 COPO Chevelle.
I had a great time talking to people there, answereing questions and sharing information.
If ask again I would support the SLS, as it is truly a new bright spot for the GM nats. Hopefully enough quality GM cars will continue to participate in the show. Sorry to see the Camaros leaving, and good luck in MD.
The SLS display speaks for itself. If you did not see it the last two years, talk to people that did to form your opinions of the people and cars there.

Mike