Micheal Moore

[ORIGLS6]

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BACK TO THE SOFA

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So how is today different than .......any other day?



(Like you expected sympathy........... )

[agtw31]

somebody has to do what he does.

[427TJ]

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Bill you aready have proved your not dumb. Can't say that for Moore!!!

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Thanks Kim!

I'll say this about health care in this country: the moment it became a for-profit industry we humans became too expensive to care for. The current HMO system is set up to deny care in every possible instance, much the same as in any insurance company: limit the payout any way possible. Cost control is KING in business and the only way to control cost in the HMO industry is to place a limit on the number of people who actually receive care.

Ask yourself what you would want if you or your children got sick, like cancer sick. Would you want the best care available or would you allow yourself to be ignored and stonewalled by insurance companies? If you're lucky you and your family will be covered and actually get the best care available. Most of us will have to sell our homes, our cars, cash-in our savings and hope to God that we survive our illness and then work our way back to health, both physically and financially.

In fairness to the HMO industry I will put on my HMO CEO hat: How do I preserve profits and reward myself and my shareholders with the highest possible rate of return? I'll have to limit the payout and the best way to do that is to limit the number of people who actually receive care. If I can keep that number as low as possible while the premiums/pay-in remain at high levels then we make money. That is the CEO's job: make money. (Making large sums of money can be an unsightly and dark process, as we see here.)

The current system allows people to die on a cost-benefit analysis basis. If the HMO thinks you're going to die anyway then they deny coverage outright or stonewall you until you die.

Michael Moore or no Michael Moore, the US health care system is set up for profit FIRST and the actual providing of care is a distant second. It is a HUGE problem and there probably won't be an answer to how we deal with it in our lifetimes, Hillary Clinton or no Hillary Clinton.

Old people always tell you, "If you have your helath that's all you need." It has never been more true.

Oh, and as repulsive as Moore is to some people, he does make you think, and that's what HMO's definitely don't want you to do! Don't ask questions either. If the HMO puts you on hold for hours, week after week, month after month, and you finally give up and never call back then they have succeeded in controlling cost by preventing a payout. Mission accomplished.

(I have not seen Moore's movie.)

[kwhizz]

Bill........I think the Lawyers of the World feel that the Insurance Companies and Doctors are their own personal "Piggy Banks" to be at War with......Bottom Line.....Who pays the additional "Burden".....By the way, How did John Edwards make all his Money........and he's concerned about the "Poor".....Yeah, Right.....
It's a War with the "Undocumented American's" as Harry Reid call's them, now coming into the mix......Guess who pay's..............??????

Ken
(Guilty as Charged)

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some of the largest personal injury law firms in this country are the biggest contibutors to the republican party.

look it up,it is a fact.

[kwhizz]

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some of the largest personal injury law firms in this country are the biggest contibutors to the republican party.

look it up,it is a fact.

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I'm sure it go's both way's ......So what's your point .....I said nothing about Political Party's.....just stating "Reality"..........

Ken

[427TJ]

I hear you Ken and we agree more than we disagree on the details. All I said was that it is a HUGE problem and there probably won't be an answer to how we deal with it in our lifetimes.

We are already paying, by the way. Poor people and the uninsured are already flooding the health care system. Go to any emergency room almost any time of day to see the poor, the unemployed, illegals, you name it, they are already in there 50 or more deep. We really don't have a homeless problem in my local area nor are there a lot of poor people--until you go to the emergency room. These people don't care about Michael Moore or insurance or what it costs, they have bypassed all that and gone to the hospital. It's the rest of us who pay our HMO premiums (and taxes!) and then get dicked-around by our HMOs. Somebody tell me who's the smart one here?

By the way, anybody see the story about the Mexican lady who died on the floor of an ER waiting room in Los Angeles a few days ago? Witnesses even called 911 from the waiting room as she vomited blood and died and no one from the hospital staff (as far as we know at this point) did anything to help her. The 911 operator put the blame on the caller! There's probably more to this story but it doesn't look good so far.

As for lawyers, they are into everything. Everything lucrative, that is. (I know, lawyers gotta' eat too.)

As for John Edwards, I am not impressed with anyone running for president in 2008. I'm still not ruling-out a late entry by Jeb Bush, say, by next spring, jumping in as the man on horse-back come here to save us. Iraq's a mess though so he may cough twice and pass this time.

We do live in interesting times.

[kwhizz]

We do live in interesting times


Bring back "Boston Blackie"


Ken

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Bring back "Boston Blackie"

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[Denis]

My wife cannot get _any_ medical insurance in the U.S. because she _had_ Hep C and even though she was cured we just can't qualify. We use our AAA card to get discounts on prescription drugs. Neither of us has employer insurance. I'm holding on to my Canadian citizenship so's we can scoot back soon as something serious comes down.

This to say you dudes should maybe put aside your pre-conceived opinions of Michael Moore and listen to what he has to say about this health care situation.

I'll bet there are other folks on this website with similar stories. I've lived in Canada, England, and U.S.-- our 3 kids were born in all 3 countries -- so, I have a somewhat 'informed' opinion on the matter.