69 Z-28 survivor

[Steve Shauger]

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Wow. I have never seen a chalk mark that brite or clear before either. Also, all the ones that I have seen have alot more glue on the brace. Of course, I have only seen 8-10 in person, so my experiance may be limited.

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There was no science or protocol used in applying the chalk mark or glue. I would consider that typical from the cars I have inspected. I will post some example later.

[Salvatore]

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What does the X mean?
Todd

[/ QUOTE ] The X is a style trim. X33 or X77 is used for the 69 Z/28 to denote different trim.

[adam]

Sorry guys; I was just alerted that the ad was posted over here....to answer a few questions.

1) The X7 on the rear bulkhead; dunno what to tell you except that it is what it looked like when I pulled the rear seat, and the cardboard backer off. My camera does tend to make light stuff really light, but it doesn't look too different, and is very similar to others I've seen.

To answer some of the other stuff.....the car is a survivor in the sense that it retains its original DZ and M21, and has not been monkeyed with. The paint isn't perfect (although it was repainted, who knows when...definitely not recently), the gaps of the fenders, doors and hood aren't laser straight, the underside isn't perfectly detailed with added chalk and factory paint markings, its a car that's been owned, driven and enjoyed. Sure, its not a survivor in the sense that I found it in Farmer Johnson's hay barn, its just managed to make it nearly 40 years without a concourse restoration.

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I see prices have returned to earth. Nice car. Priced about right.

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Not sure you can base that on this car. The car is obviously NOT a survivor. Has incorrect paint, hood, grill, incorrect ride height/springs and many missing/incorrect pieces under the hood. No information regarding documentaion, and is low option car.

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In 40 years, the "use" items like the alternator, starter, distributor, carb and manifolds have disappeared, but are readily avilable for purchase through any vendor. Early '69 Z's were low option, generally, and its kind of cool like that. I personally don't get the point of a road racer, with hideaway headlights, woodgrain trim, a rosewood wheel, power windows, power steering, deluxe interior....etc. Seems like every Z for sale has every option GM threw at the car, and I'm sure 99% of the options are added after the fact.

I feel that $40k is a very good price for the car. Sure, its missing some original stuff, and the paint has been redone, but the 3 priceless items are there. A VIN stamped car, a VIN stamped DZ, and a VIN stamped M21. Price accordingly.

[Steve Shauger]

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Sorry guys; I was just alerted that the ad was posted over here....to answer a few questions.

1) The X7 on the rear bulkhead; dunno what to tell you except that it is what it looked like when I pulled the rear seat, and the cardboard backer off. My camera does tend to make light stuff really light, but it doesn't look too different, and is very similar to others I've seen.

To answer some of the other stuff.....the car is a survivor in the sense that it retains its original DZ and M21, and has not been monkeyed with. The paint isn't perfect (although it was repainted, who knows when...definitely not recently), the gaps of the fenders, doors and hood aren't laser straight, the underside isn't perfectly detailed with added chalk and factory paint markings, its a car that's been owned, driven and enjoyed. Sure, its not a survivor in the sense that I found it in Farmer Johnson's hay barn, its just managed to make it nearly 40 years without a concourse restoration.

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I see prices have returned to earth. Nice car. Priced about right.

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Not sure you can base that on this car. The car is obviously NOT a survivor. Has incorrect paint, hood, grill, incorrect ride height/springs and many missing/incorrect pieces under the hood. No information regarding documentaion, and is low option car.

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In 40 years, the "use" items like the alternator, starter, distributor, carb and manifolds have disappeared, but are readily avilable for purchase through any vendor. Early '69 Z's were low option, generally, and its kind of cool like that. I personally don't get the point of a road racer, with hideaway headlights, woodgrain trim, a rosewood wheel, power windows, power steering, deluxe interior....etc. Seems like every Z for sale has every option GM threw at the car, and I'm sure 99% of the options are added after the fact.

I feel that $40k is a very good price for the car. Sure, its missing some original stuff, and the paint has been redone, but the 3 priceless items are there. A VIN stamped car, a VIN stamped DZ, and a VIN stamped M21. Price accordingly.

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If you read my post, I agree with the pricing on the car, and pointed out why it was priced accordingly (and not a 75K car). Don't take my orig post the wrong way. I don't however agree that this car is a survivor by any definition. Great car to get into and drive. And as you state; how many with orig drivetrains....

Good luck with your sale.

[Hylton]

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A survivor that has been painted?

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That's not the only thing different from new on the car. I was wondering the same thing. I guess the term's definition has changed.

[Chateau Slate 66]

I agree that it is a nice car for the money.

But, is there anyone that would disagree that "survivor" means unrestored or unchanged in any way??

A rust bucket could be a survivor, but a repainted car can not IMO.

[Steve Shauger]

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The survivor term used by and trade marked by Bloomington folks requires a car be 51+% unrestored to be considered a certified survivor. In theory if a car was repainted but the three other areas were 100% unrestored it would be classified as a survivor, because as a whole it was 51+% unrestored. I am not an expert on their program, but it is my understanding that is there criteria.

[agtw31]

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Not sure what your responding to or your point. My point was that this car's value has not changed, it was worth 40K a year ago and thats what it is worth today.

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im just saying that you know it's a real Z,not one of the other 40,000 that have appeared over the years,that people want 75k for.

as far as im concerned,a survivor is a car that has survived wear and tear,not just sitting in a garage for 30 years,and sufferring from excessive wear and tear from over waxing the paint.

[Steve Shauger]

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Not sure what your responding to or your point. My point was that this car's value has not changed, it was worth 40K a year ago and thats what it is worth today.

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im just saying that you know it's a real Z,not one of the other 40,000 that have appeared over the years,that people want 75k for.

as far as im concerned,a survivor is a car that has survived wear and tear,not just sitting in a garage for 30 years,and sufferring from excessive wear and tear from over waxing the paint.

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By your definition I would classify it as a "survived camaro" not sure what it survived.

[427king]

Its better that a car be over described and underpriced, rather than under described and overpriced....Its a nice Z, priced under its true market value in any event