250 mile Challenger T/A

[Keith Tedford]

Speaking of disconnected speedometers, it was epidemic in the old days. Had to stretch out that warranty as much as possible you know. Now, with restored cars, it doesn't much matter whether the mileage is 80k or 180k miles.
We had an unrestored '67 Chevelle a few years ago. In the early '90s it was an unrestored class winner at a Super Chevy show. I saw it a couple of weeks ago and you would never know that the car has close to 100K miles on it. The interior is still mint. I don't believe that the car was ever left outside. You could spin the speedometer on that car back to 40K miles and no one would be the wiser.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

If the Z28 was such a survivor, then why did he paint the exhaust manifolds, paint the rear springs and axle (fluid tag suppose to be natural, not painted), and do a quicky respray on the engine????

[king_midas]

Those are all very good questions. There's a poly bushing visible in the one photo, so the axle and springs were probably out of the car at some point. Maybe painted then...?

Maybe headers, replaced my manifolds? While they were in there, maybe they re-sprayed the motor? Once again, a case of who really knows...

I do know that the striping job appears to be a particularly bad one, even by Norwood stardards. Apparently they were applied on Friday-afternoon, post a 10-beer lunch, by the guys that usually install tail-lights.

[70CitrusZ]

Wow on both cars! The T/A looks low mile, but if I had to guess, I'd peg it at 1500 to 3500 miles not the advertised 250. 250 miles is like 0. no wear at all, still I guess is possible, sometimes 0 miles in a less than perfect storage location can take its toll..aka the buried chrysler recently dug up.. Still cool though....The 72 Z is rare to begin with and a survivor no less. Look for that car to rise in value sharply over time.

[agtw31]

if you say the same lie over and over,eventually some moron with more money than sense will believe it.

[TimG]

I called on the Z28 and it sounded like a nice car. I'll be in the area next week and wanted to take a look, but it sold. It had some issues, the guy wanted $38,000.
As far as originality and the factory flaws, I love them and I love the original cars. Could be an acquired taste, but when I drive my 18,000 mile '67 big block, you really go back in time.

[showyourauto]

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I agree. 250 miles and there are stains on the trunk mat, dirty engone, aftermarket gauges.. In 250 miles? Don't think so, That was one weekends worth of driving back then .. no way..

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Barry Washington (Challenger T/A Registar) went over the car with a fine tooth comb over several days and agreed that the mileage is genuine. I can say that the storage of the vehicle was less than ideal (surviving daughter stored the car most it's life after dad passed)...the documentation on the car is undisuptable, backing up the odometer. Other things, like cardboard tags, chalk marks, etc. were intact.

As for the "aftermarket accessories" like the tach, wheels, suspension mods, the only thing not installed by Grand Spaulding before the car sold new was the "paint job" on the bottom of the car, a popular thing to do. The rest was added by Mr. Norm to speed the sale of this car- which was a lot lizard, selling in 1971. This conversation is EXACTLY why its important to have a lifetime documentation of a given car. When some calls you have the docs to prove it.

~Patrick Krook

[agtw31]

did Barry Washington buy it?

[showyourauto]

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did Barry Washington buy it?

[/ QUOTE ] Nope he looked at it for posterity and to prepare an article he did on it Chryslers at Carlisle in '05 when they were featuring survivors. We sold the car in our first online auction event, March of the Muscle Cars, to a private party living in Nebraska I believe.

[showyourauto]

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Wow on both cars! The T/A looks low mile, but if I had to guess, I'd peg it at 1500 to 3500 miles not the advertised 250. 250 miles is like 0. no wear at all, still I guess is possible, sometimes 0 miles in a less than perfect storage location can take its toll...

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250 miles driven a few on the street to get to the drag strip and then hurtled down the 1320 gauntlet. That is not the same at 250 miles grandma driven...wearing looks like it does, even more than a 2,000 or so street driven miles. This uncovers another misnomer in the hobby, low miles equals pristine preservation. I'd take a 30,00-60,000 street driven car that was consistently garaged over a sub 10,000 drag racer any day, if I were looking to preserve a car or restore to factory delivered. Just my $0.02...~Patrick Krook