Go Back   The Supercar Registry > General Discussion > Supercar/Musclecar Discussion


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 08-14-2006, 10:23 PM
YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY's Avatar
YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY is offline
Yenko Contributing Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: PA
Posts: 13,097
Thanks: 720
Thanked 360 Times in 144 Posts
Default Re: uncommon copo found

Both scenarios are possible. Sometimes a group of cars were sequential, other times they were not. I think that if a car is line with the others, it's a good indicator, but no 100% conclusive. It's a shame that NJ is so poor with title searches, as that is one avenue to find more info on the car.
__________________
Marlin
70 Yenko Nova-350/360, 4speed M21, 4.10 Posi (Daddy's Ride)
69 SS Nova-396/375hp, 4speed M20, 3.55 Posi (Benjamin's Ride)
67 RS Camaro-327/250hp, 2speed Glide, & 3.08 Open (Danny's Ride)
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 08-14-2006, 10:30 PM
deuce-less deuce-less is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: sparks, nevada
Posts: 755
Thanks: 0
Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts
Default Re: uncommon copo found

i guess for some the research on a particular car is fun.
i personally subscribe to the theory that the body numbers were sequential, if the order was accepted for production
at one time from one specific dealer, it makes sense to me that the body numbers would serve as a type of purchase order number. jmo
Attached Images
 
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 08-14-2006, 10:40 PM
COPO COPO is offline
Yenko Contributing Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Atlanta, GA & the Middle East
Posts: 3,022
Thanks: 400
Thanked 377 Times in 201 Posts
Default Re: uncommon copo found

I think if the body # is right in the middle of other known COPO's from the same dealer, NICB says it came from the same dealer, and all the typcial physical clues for a COPO car are intact, then you can probably be 99.9% it is a real COPO. The difficulty being if you spend $80K on a resto and then need to sell it for some reason, it might be more challenging getting the next buyer comfortable.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 08-14-2006, 10:50 PM
camarojoe's Avatar
camarojoe camarojoe is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: PA
Posts: 5,305
Thanks: 237
Thanked 264 Times in 119 Posts
Default Re: uncommon copo found

Do you have an NICB report for this car?
__________________
Joe Barr
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 08-14-2006, 10:52 PM
COPO_Anders COPO_Anders is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Anderstorp, SWEDEN
Posts: 1,650
Thanks: 1
Thanked 16 Times in 14 Posts
Default Re: uncommon copo found

Marlin, what is your experience with the 1969 Yenko Camaros ?
Do you know when a specific car was ordered, so that you can see today that cars ordered at the same time don´t have sequential bodynumbers ?
__________________
Anders Stålklint.
After selling my COPO 9561 I´m now a "postman" with the main project being a 1966 327 2 dr sedan Chevy II.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 08-14-2006, 11:06 PM
COPO_Anders COPO_Anders is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Anderstorp, SWEDEN
Posts: 1,650
Thanks: 1
Thanked 16 Times in 14 Posts
Default Re: uncommon copo found

I don´t have any proof of it, but I have been told that bodynumber 353001,353003 and 353005 are known Malcolm Konner cars.
Is the owner of 353003 out there, and can confirm that your car came from MK ?
Or are the owners of 353002 and/or 353004 out there, and know that your cars did not come from MK ?
__________________
Anders Stålklint.
After selling my COPO 9561 I´m now a "postman" with the main project being a 1966 327 2 dr sedan Chevy II.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 08-14-2006, 11:27 PM
YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY's Avatar
YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY is offline
Yenko Contributing Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: PA
Posts: 13,097
Thanks: 720
Thanked 360 Times in 144 Posts
Default Re: uncommon copo found

Hi Anders,

The short answer is 'no', I don't have any info that shows that cars ordered together have/don't have sequential body numbers. The reason is because we don't know when a specific dealer placed their orders, even though we might know that a specific dealer received 10 cars for example - we don't know the production sequence that GM decided to produce them under. The more dealers involved with ordering cars under a particular copo, the more variability - and the higher the possbility of non-sequential bodies going to a given dealer.

I'm no expert on the COPO Camaro bodies, but have studied them in some detail to determine similarities to the Nova body numbers.
__________________
Marlin
70 Yenko Nova-350/360, 4speed M21, 4.10 Posi (Daddy's Ride)
69 SS Nova-396/375hp, 4speed M20, 3.55 Posi (Benjamin's Ride)
67 RS Camaro-327/250hp, 2speed Glide, & 3.08 Open (Danny's Ride)
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 08-14-2006, 11:51 PM
firstgenaddict's Avatar
firstgenaddict firstgenaddict is offline
Yenko Contributing Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Greenville, South Carolina
Posts: 5,596
Thanks: 161
Thanked 949 Times in 459 Posts
Default Re: uncommon copo found


I was thinking about this earlier and thought that if plain/standard non special order cars were produced very soon after being ordered then we should be able to tell by the body numbers approximately when the car was ordered. It seems that if you went backwards on the body numbers and found other "plain" cars with close body numbers to the COPO "groups" then we could guesstimate the order time with in a week or two.
Don't know how this might help but I was thinking on it as well.
__________________
~JAG~
NCRS#65120
68 GTO HO 4 spd Alpine Blue /Parchment 2 owner car
#21783 71 Corvette LT1 45k miles Orig paint - Brandshatch Green - National Top Flight - last known 71 LT1 built.
71 Corvette LT1 42k miles Original paint - Black - black leather - only black LT1 known to exist.
NUMEROUS Lemans blue Camaros,
Monza Red and Daytona Yellow Corvettes
& a Chevelle or two...
Survivors, restored cars, & other photos
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/myphotos
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 08-15-2006, 12:14 AM
YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY's Avatar
YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY is offline
Yenko Contributing Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: PA
Posts: 13,097
Thanks: 720
Thanked 360 Times in 144 Posts
Default Re: uncommon copo found

The body numbers are not always linear in relation to build week.

I like to use the copo novas as an example: The first 15 deuces have the earliest body numbers, and have build dates of 06A. The next 15 deuces have sequentially later body numbers, but have an earlier build date of 05D! So, the earlier build week does not necessarily indicate a lower body number - strange, but....
__________________
Marlin
70 Yenko Nova-350/360, 4speed M21, 4.10 Posi (Daddy's Ride)
69 SS Nova-396/375hp, 4speed M20, 3.55 Posi (Benjamin's Ride)
67 RS Camaro-327/250hp, 2speed Glide, & 3.08 Open (Danny's Ride)
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 08-15-2006, 12:59 AM
firstgenaddict's Avatar
firstgenaddict firstgenaddict is offline
Yenko Contributing Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Greenville, South Carolina
Posts: 5,596
Thanks: 161
Thanked 949 Times in 459 Posts
Default Re: uncommon copo found

I understand that the special cars do not follow any set sequencing. What I thought was that the "normal" ordered cars may have. So after the order was accepted by fisher (body number assigned) they would have been built relatively quickly. So we could determine more or less when the COPO orders were accepted by Fisher by comparing the COPO body numbers to regular cars body numbers.
I will post this topic on CRG to see what JohnZ has to say about it.
__________________
~JAG~
NCRS#65120
68 GTO HO 4 spd Alpine Blue /Parchment 2 owner car
#21783 71 Corvette LT1 45k miles Orig paint - Brandshatch Green - National Top Flight - last known 71 LT1 built.
71 Corvette LT1 42k miles Original paint - Black - black leather - only black LT1 known to exist.
NUMEROUS Lemans blue Camaros,
Monza Red and Daytona Yellow Corvettes
& a Chevelle or two...
Survivors, restored cars, & other photos
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/myphotos
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 07:27 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.

O Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.